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Ribrab

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Utrogeston Dose
« on: September 25, 2022, 01:32:18 PM »

Hello ladies, I am currently on 4 pumps of estrogel with 100mg utrogeston vaginally. I am thinking of increasing to 5 pumps for better symptom control. Would I also have to increase the amount of utrogeston too or can I remain on 100mg utrogeston? Thank you!
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Dandelion

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2022, 08:49:00 PM »

Hello ladies, I am currently on 4 pumps of estrogel with 100mg utrogeston vaginally. I am thinking of increasing to 5 pumps for better symptom control. Would I also have to increase the amount of utrogeston too or can I remain on 100mg utrogeston? Thank you!
Are you in peri or post meno?
I might be wrong here, I think postmeno is 100mg.
I take 200mg utrogestan as I bled, I am sorry I am not sure of my facts. I am post.
I hope someone who knows can come along, otherwise you could ask your GP.
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Gill67

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2022, 02:16:35 AM »

Hi, this reply might be a bit late for you, but I've this week been in contact with Dr Currie regarding increasing my dose of oestrogel from 4 pumps to 5  as I've been on 4 pumps for a month with no improvement in my symptoms. When I increased to 5 pumps my symptoms improved within about a week, but my GP is not happy for me to have 5 pumps as the max recommended dose is 4 pumps daily. Hence my contacting Dr Currie for some expert advice.

Dr Currie gave a very comprehensive reply, and part of her advice was that if I were to stay on 5 pumps (which she confirms is a high dose and more than the maximum recommended) or even drop back to 4 pumps, then I should be taking 200mcg Utrogestan daily, not just the 100mcg that I'm currently on.

I have an appt with my GP in a few weeks to talk this over, so I will see what the GP says as well, but personally since my GP is pretty clueless on HRT anyway (hence my contacting Dr Currie in the first place!) I'm inclined to trust Dr Currie's advice. If I were you, I'd check with your GP about increasing both the Eostrogel and the Utrogestan- In my case, Dr Currie has suggested that my needing 5 pumps of gel might indicate that I am not absorbing the oestrogen well this way and that I might find patches suit me better, allowing me to get the symptom relief without such a high dose. That may be something you may wish to consider if you have a GP like mine who is reluctant to prescribe more than 4 pumps.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2022, 02:23:13 AM by Gill67 »
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Dandelion

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2022, 08:13:05 AM »

It's a catch 22
I think the doctors are wary about prescribing more than the max oestrogen because of cancer risk.
My heart goes out to women who need more than 100mcg.
I went up to 100mcg because the flushes were so hot that they were inconceivable to anyone who has not had them that badly.
As soon as I got on 100mcg I felt better physically. I bled though, so I had to come down in dose.
I was ok on 25mcg but I got IBS about 6months after going on that dose, I went up to 50mcg, not yet told my GP. No bleeds. I'd rather not go up to more, I still get night sweats, I use a fan.
The thing is there are plenty of women who do need more than the max.
I am not sure some clinicians realise the seriousness of "not-enough-oestrogen"
I shied away from telling my GP as they want to do a colonoscopy, I don't want one.
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Gill67

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2022, 10:49:51 AM »

It's a catch 22
I think the doctors are wary about prescribing more than the max oestrogen because of cancer risk.

I am not sure some clinicians realise the seriousness of "not-enough-oestrogen"


Oh, I agree Dandelion- my problem is severe and constant sweating, rather than flushes. It's so life-limiting and uncomfortable but people don't understand, they think 'it's just a bit of sweat'. But it's awful to be constantly damp all over, with sweat patches on your chest & back, changing your clothes 2 or 3 times a day, glasses steaming up, sweat trickling down your temples etc. It's embarrassing as well, I got that I was avoiding leaving the house as much as possible, or doing anything with other people- but I can't live like that.
Now that I know that 5 pumps of Oestrogel is controlling it, I really dread having to mess about trying patches and whatnot- I dread going through all that sweating again whilst we see if it 'works'. But if my GP won't prescribe enough gel I'll have to  ::)
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Dandelion

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2022, 05:38:40 PM »

It's a catch 22
I think the doctors are wary about prescribing more than the max oestrogen because of cancer risk.

I am not sure some clinicians realise the seriousness of "not-enough-oestrogen"


Oh, I agree Dandelion- my problem is severe and constant sweating, rather than flushes. It's so life-limiting and uncomfortable but people don't understand, they think 'it's just a bit of sweat'. But it's awful to be constantly damp all over, with sweat patches on your chest & back, changing your clothes 2 or 3 times a day, glasses steaming up, sweat trickling down your temples etc. It's embarrassing as well, I got that I was avoiding leaving the house as much as possible, or doing anything with other people- but I can't live like that.
Now that I know that 5 pumps of Oestrogel is controlling it, I really dread having to mess about trying patches and whatnot- I dread going through all that sweating again whilst we see if it 'works'. But if my GP won't prescribe enough gel I'll have to  ::)
Write to Dr Currie on here, she charges a fee, but my GP listened to her.
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Gill67

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2022, 12:53:01 PM »

Hi Dandelion, I have emailed Dr Currie, unfortunately she said that she couldn't categorically say that it is ok for me to have 5 pumps of gel, as it is indeed a high dose. However, she suggested that I may not be absorbing the gel well and it's possible that a patch may be better, and although she doesn't usually recommend blood tests as a way of diagnosing meno symptoms, she said that in this case it might be worth having one to check my estradiol levels. If it is less than around 300-400 then I'm probably not absorbing well.
I think I'm going to ask GP for a blood test, and if it comes back that my estradiol levels are not low, also referral to a menopause clinic/specialist, since I know that my GP won't know what to do with someone who obviously needs more than the recommended dose!  :-\
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Dandelion

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Re: Utrogeston Dose
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2022, 05:11:39 PM »

Hi Dandelion, I have emailed Dr Currie, unfortunately she said that she couldn't categorically say that it is ok for me to have 5 pumps of gel, as it is indeed a high dose. However, she suggested that I may not be absorbing the gel well and it's possible that a patch may be better, and although she doesn't usually recommend blood tests as a way of diagnosing meno symptoms, she said that in this case it might be worth having one to check my estradiol levels. If it is less than around 300-400 then I'm probably not absorbing well.
I think I'm going to ask GP for a blood test, and if it comes back that my estradiol levels are not low, also referral to a menopause clinic/specialist, since I know that my GP won't know what to do with someone who obviously needs more than the recommended dose!  :-\
I am sorry Dr Currie did not categorically say you could have 5 pumps of gel.
It must be frustrating for you.
Why wouldn't blood tests be a way of diagnosing meno symptoms, if oestrogen levels are low, then surely that would mean you need more?
On the other hand, do the levels fluctuate, so are they unreliable? I can't answer that question.
I upped my patch to 50mcg as IBS came back, and I dont want to go through a colonoscopy if I need to up my hrt to 50 instead of 25, so I kind of know how annoying all this is, well I hope I understand you.
You could tell your GP you spoke to an NHS Gynaecologist on here, they may listen more, my GP's were intetested when I told them I spoke to an NHS consultant, as I am autistic, I wrote it down and gave it to her, as I get tangled up verbally in real time.
It's good you have a menopause clinic, here, our GP refers us to the gynaecology department. We don't have a meno clinic.
I do hope you get this sorted out.
Oh, one other thing, you could look at non hrt meno solutions in the thread on here, and see if you can use anything in addition.
I tried menopause, it did nothing, but non hrt solutions may have worked for other women.
I wish you the best.
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