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Confused again -
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:05:53 PM »

not difficult at this time of year but I thought there was a recent discussion regarding Prof Studd  :-\ like, comments made a few days ago.  having had 3 bereavements plus a relative wanting to move into Care, my brain is more fuddled than it usually is  :'(
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 08:26:47 PM »

Yes, there was a thread that had a variety of posts reporting on people's experiences with Prof Studd. 
It seems to have disappeared??!!!

There were posts on this thread that were very critical about the way he treats his patients - perhaps this was too controversial so had to be removed???!!!! I thought it was important information for women to know - you pay so much to see him and so often women go to him in desperation, hoping they will be heard and understood. Most women appear to be simply palmed off with his standard regime regardless of their individual needs.

It would be interesting to know why this thread was removed?  DG x
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 08:45:30 PM »

PHEW!   :thankyou:  I didn't dream it. 

One should be able to state as one finds.  After all, the ? British Menopause Society ? as well as this Forum should be informative from the inside out but any information from ladies whose experiences don't match what we expect, should also be able to put their view points and experiences.
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 08:56:54 PM »

Surely we haven't got the point when we have to make copies to keep of every thread that pops up?!? in case it's pulled  :-\
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 09:25:31 PM »

I agree with Dancingirl's comments, it's a shame that people cannot be warned as to what they might expect. However, perhaps there may be legal implications here and the thread may have left MM vulnerable to litigation. Just a thought, I really don't know.
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 10:21:10 AM »

This forum, like all social media, can bring good as well as bad.  Trip Adviser is a classic example; even one bad review from someone who chooses to be particularly picky, difficult or has unrealistic expectations, can tarnish the reputation of a good company or person.

I don't think anyone can dispute the good that Studd has done with his research but there seems to be an arrogance there that I'm afraid can be typical of many consultants. A degree of humility goes and long way with me - I personally feel we can always learn something new - whoever we are.   The gynae I saw privately in Norwich, was kind, put me at my ease, listened and responded appropriately.

When it comes to doctors or our experiences with any members of the medical profession, I think feed back of personal experience is really important. So many of us have had very poor experiences with our GPs, particularly regarding treatment for the meno. We are seeing on the news constant reports about the stress the NHS is under and I personally feel the system is simply not fit for purpose now. Other countries like Germany have far better systems (I lived there so I know) - the NHS is so unwieldy and the way it is funded and organised does need radical changes if we want to receive good health care for all. Of course we all need to pay in more but no government wants to increase taxes!  If we receive a reasonably good pension we should still be paying into the system. My father was a dental surgeon, believed passionately in the NHS, but always said it would never be viable financially with the way it was set up.  He died over 30 years ago but his predictions have been absolutely right.
We now have a situation where we have to go privately to get ‘quality' time with a doctor, so we feel we are being treated holistically and getting the appropriate treatment. I have been visiting this forum for some years now and I have read rather too many negative comments about the way Studd treats his patients - I would be deeply upset if a doctor made me feel so uncomfortable and belittled when I was paying so much. A GP sees so many ‘time wasters', it must be so difficult to differentiate, so inevitably an appropriate approach can be difficult to maintain - they are human after all - it's when they are dogmatic that really gets my goat. 
When is any government going to brave enough to tackle what needs to be done????
Rant over.  DG x
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 02:05:58 PM »

As an aside: with all the media and Government hype about the state that the NHS is in: the NHS is currently 'postponing' operations NOT cancelling them!  a totally different issue.

It is known that this time of year causes expected problems: 'flu, various bugs, falls on the ice, accidents in the snow: shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone in the UK! so it stands to reason that routine surgery is likely to be postponed due to beds being full and Staff being at full stretch.  (Been there, done it ....... ).  It is better for all concerned both in time and energy to postpone elective surgery: better for the patient who can then make other plans - rather than getting to Hospital to find that the Surgeon is tied up in theatre doing Life-saving operations so that their bed will be taken.  Better for the NHS to postpone early enough so that Secretaries don't spend hours on the 'phone trying to stop patients going into Hospital (done all that too  ::)).   

It has NEVER been pointed out in these articles by the Media how many wasted appts. happen in GP Surgeries nor how many empty Surgical slots are due to patients imply never turning up!!!

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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 03:33:00 PM »

Very good points CKLD. The media do not give a balanced view.
However, the stress of waiting for elective surgery can be great, postponing these  operations often leave people in pain and unable to work.

Where we live, they have shut most of the cottage hospitals where all those poor elderly people that become bed blockers used to go. I know they have done this to make us pay for home care but it's not working.
I am now very frightened of becoming ill.
I had to go privately to get my back sorted last year, the GP wouldn't refer me and only offered Amitriptyline which gave me horrid side effects.  I really couldn't afford to go privately but I had no option as I needed to work - £2000 of savings used up, so less in our pension now and no holidays for 2-3 years. 
There is definitely rationing going on now.
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 04:40:02 PM »

It wasn't done to make us pay at that time.  It was decided that "Care in the Community" would be better. That was in the late 1970s/early 80s.   Because some patients recovered more quickly in their home environment, it was decided by the Government of the Day that closing mental hospitals, convalescent homes and other out-of hospital facilities would be the way to go, even though those of us in the NHS tried to point out that, actually, it would NOT work.  That patients needed the security of qualified staff until such time as they were well enough for discharge.

We pointed out: families are not nurses.  They don't have the skills, even to lift a person who is recovering from surgery.  That CintheC would raise stress levels for families as well as patients.  Particularly those with chronic illness.  My Grandad went into a beautiful Convalescent Home in 1969.  We could wave from the gardens whilst parents visited him.  No kids allowed in then! We could write letters and Gran could get the house ready for his return when he was well enough.  Into Theatre, Surgery done, recovery made, up and walking, diverted to the Convalescent Home.  Job Done. No re-admissions due to a patient being sent home too soon, which again causes problems because that patient then has to wait either in the Ambulance or in A&E for hours ..........

When various places were shut we were told that the monies saved would go back into employing more Staff ......... that's a 'no' then?!?

As a mental health sufferer I was scared that I then had no-where to go which proved true in 1991 when I was very ill.  I couldn't afford private care (£300 per night) and the GPs wouldn't come out and there was no crisis team.  Had there been a psycahitatir walk-in centre I would have felt better. 

None of the Governments nor the NHS could see that care was going to have to be paid for in order to keep people safe.  The NHS has far outstripped it's useful fullness unless more money is poured into it!  No one foresaw how technology would develop so that people lived longer therefore developed problems that would need more technology  ::)

Could you now find out why your GP wouldn't refer you.  Any patient in the UK is entitled to a 2nd opinion.  What did the Consultant advise and really, if he/she was aware that your GP wouldn't refer you, you shouldn't have been charged!  There's too much bullying in the NHS these days because the Government has set targets ......... so GPs sit behind their desks trying to budget.  Which takes up their time when they could be seeing patients ......... I said years ago that the whole system should be private! However, what are savings for? It's now you need to be mobile and in less pain.  After all, that bus ..........  ;)



 
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2018, 06:56:45 PM »

I do agree with CKLD - the situation is now appalling. Our local cottage hospital only closed 2 years ago and they promised that there would be appropriate home care put in place.  My sister has chronic health problems and has to now go in and out of hospital when she used to simple go to this cottage hospital for a few days when she needed to.

AS for my back: I think when it comes to backs, GPs will assume this will get better on it's own.  My lower back issues have been ongoing for some time but became severe earlier last year.  It coincided with digestive problems - bad lower abdominal pain that required a colonoscopy to find what was going on. Waiting to have the colonoscopy was awful as I was frightened of what they find and the procedure was really unpleasant.
Anyway, when I finally got round to seeing the GP about my back, they were clearly didn't want to address the underlying problem, they simply wanted to mask the pain with either pain killers or Amitriptyline. They told me to have physiotherapy, which I paid for privately( not offered on NHS) and this made the pain worse. I can't take any NSAIDs now, as I would need to take a PPI and it was this combination that gave me the Diverticulitis that caused the lower stomach pain - so I did try the Amitriptyline which gave such nasty side effects I simply gave up all hope of the GP helping me.  If I had pushed for a referral, I doubt it would have been quick - back pain is not considered urgent.  My sister in-law had a similar back problem and her GP told her to go to A&E as it was the only way to get the MRI needed to diagnose what was going on - apparently a referral would take several months to come through. 
The Rheumatologist I saw privately immediately ordered X-rays and an MRI and he showed me the resulting images which diagnosed degeneration of L3-L4 vertebra, crushing the disk, the disk was inflamed and pressing on my spinal column. He recommended an injection of cortisone into the disk - this took 10 minutes and the pain was greatly reduced within days.   The disks will never go back so I will have an ongoing problem but I am now not in such awful pain. I also now know what the problem is and can manage my back better and hopefully prevent too many issues in future, although it may mean an operation at some stage. Anyway, why the NHS can't offer this injection as standard, it takes so little time and relieves the pain so easily, really baffles me!!!???
DG x
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 07:13:25 PM »

It's a pity that thread was removed because it's good to have reviews on consultants both positive and negative.  As I said before, my experience with Professor Studd was extremely positive and life changing but I appreciate others have had different experiences and we must hear about those too. 

Some interesting points have come up on this thread.  The NHS is under immense strain and there is no sign of that changing any time soon.  Successive governments have politicised it and used it like a political football, ploughing money into it but from what I can see, it is not fit for purpose, needs even more money and/or something needs to radically change.  Is it sustainable in its current form?  Is it just about money?  Where has it gone wrong?  It raises more questions than answers.  Politicians of all political colours are terrified of the NHS because they have failed to fix the underlying problems added to which, the UK is heading into extremely difficult and turbulent times now and if anything there will be less money for public services not more as was promised.  We are now told the NHS has the added problem of staff shortages with EU nationals returning home and they will somehow have to plug that gap, God knows how. 

Perhaps they need to look at healthcare models in other EU states and try and change to something like the French, German or Spanish model.  In Spain you can consult a well qualified and regulated pharmacist for minor illnesses and buy medication over the counter which takes the pressure off surgeries and avoids the patient having to wait weeks for an appointment.  For example, you can have a urine test and get medication for urinary tract infections which is very helpful.  Obviously you can get simple things like blood pressure and cholesterol checked too.  The UK could look at adopting a similar system to take the pressure off GPs. 

As far as this forum and treating the menopause is concerned, this goes some way to explaining the problems we face, underfunding, lack of resources and lack of ongoing education and training for GPs.  The two most debated subjects on here are directly linked to that i.e. GPs not being clued up on HRT and the massive problem of progesterone intolerance and uterine scans not being offered routinely like mammograms.  Uterine scans are important not just for womb lining measurement but for all sorts of other gynaecological conditions that need to be monitored.

Against this kind of backdrop, it's hard to imagine the situation will improve and that menopause clinics are suddenly going to spring up all over the country.  The ones that are currently running are oversubscribed and there seem to be long waiting lists.  Most of the women on here need help now and don't want to have to wait weeks for an appointment.  In an ideal world, the pressure should be taken away from GPs and menopausal women should attend a dedicated menopause clinic with access to uterine scans, mammograms, breast scans, bone scans and the best type of HRT for their particular needs which is not necessarily the cheapest.  I sometimes wonder if the NHS try women out on the cheaper HRT brands first and only offer the more expensive stuff if that fails.  It should be driven by the woman's needs, not costs.

We are where we are and not necessarily where we want to be so my advice remains the same, if you can afford private menopause treatment then go for it.  It's worth remembering too that if you seek treatment privately you are freeing up a place for women who want to use the NHS. 
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2018, 08:27:33 PM »

 :thankyou:  both of U. 

Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians in the NHS.  Should have been Cross Party issue not a pawn in any election manifesto.  Trouble is very few Ministers that have been appointed as Health or Education actually have hands-on experiences of either  :bang: :bang: :bang:

GPs are that - they choose direct face-2-face contact with patients, not specifics.  So any that can't understand how pain etc. impacts on patients, families, neighbours, the work place - should retire.  Back problems can become chronic but until the suffer sees a Specialist and has the various scans now available: against X-rays in the 1970s/80s : one can't begin to 'manage' pain, appropriate exercise, diet.  Also, all patients with back pain should have advice on shoe wear  ;)

People across the UK don't consult with their local Pharmacist often enough.  Most have private rooms these days. 
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2018, 08:49:52 PM »

We are all living longer and retiring at more or less the same time. We need to pay more taxes - far far more. Many of these issues would be helped/solved with more funding and we can and should provide it - so that proper treatment is available to all, not just those who can afford private care. Many people could afford to pay a lot more in taxes (instead of updating their phone for example) and governments across the board should agree to this ie rasing taxes. The situation will not change otherwise.

Some areas have NHS walk-in centres - I noticed one in my nearest city the other day (25 miles away though!) and I presume you don't need an appointment for these and can get access to the care discussed eg urine infections etc.

Sorry to hear about your back Dancinggirl - and appalling that you had to go privately for quite simple treatment. It must vary so much where you live because my neighbour had similar - back problems, problem vertebrae, MRI scan, referrals etc and injection - all on the NHS without too long a wait (this is SW England).

Re the Studd thread - have not been on the forum much over Christmas but saw a few of the posts and see that it the thread has gone. I would say that it is most likely as Joaniepat says - that there is a fine line between feedback (positive or negative) and defamation, however justified it seems to be, and we need to avoid unduly negative comments.

Whilst it is important for realistic feedback to aid choice - especially when women are considering parting with a lot of their hard-earned cash, and also to counter what might seem like over-zealous promotion - perhaps some of the comments bordered on litigious and maybe an open forum is not the way to give this sort of feedback.

I would definitely want to know about those sort of experiences if I were considering such a visit (or phone consultation). Maybe whoever started the thread or is interested in these points could ask Emma what the protocol is for reporting on experience of consultants and whether Private Lives is an OK place for it - or whether this should be done by pm only? Or maybe if anyone is planning on seeing a consultant and wanting feedback - perhaps start a thread asking women to pm you with experiences good or bad? (A bit like when members are trying to organise a real-life meet-up - to pm the member rather than say where they live etc?).

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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2018, 10:53:48 PM »

This thread has proved interesting. 
CKLD - I do agree, the Health service, and also education, should not be a political pawn - it needs to be taken out of politics completely so there is a consistent approach to planning and implementation.  Health care must be led by doctors and nurses - they want to give the best to their patients - they just need help from highly experienced and successful 'business people' to deliver what is needed.  The Bank of England was made independent, so why not the health service and education.
Oh boy, we were all lied to about Brexit and the idea that there would be more money for the NHS!!!! Brexit could well ruin so many of our vital services.
If more money is the answer, then the government, whoever happens to be in power, must find ways to raise the money - they shouldn't be blamed for increasing NI or imposing charges for the better off, if need be, to pay for this.
However, the money must be well spent - so there needs to be true efficiency. We also all want the very best health care professionals and they must be paid appropriately. The pressure on the professionals within the NHS is untenable. Health care and education will never be perfect but I think many of us are feeling very vulnerable right now - another way needs to be found.   Quality of life should not be just for those who can afford to get it.  DG x
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Re: Confused again -
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 04:22:32 PM »

Brexit ain't kicked in yet so try not to blame the 'leave' vote  ;)

It's been like it is but getting worse since the late 1970s.  When I left the NHS in the 1980s Wards in the small Hospital were being shut.  Students were being advised not to pass their Exams. or they would be out of a job, if they continued as Students the NHS could afford to pay them!  Nurses were brought in from abroad ...... putting Nurses and some Doctors out of a job once qualified which is why many went to the US or Down Under. 

Monies have always been difficult to obtain for the NHS - those Specialities that attract Research Grants are better supported than mental health and geriatrics!  Nowt changed there then. 

We shouldn't even consider needing 2 send PMs to Members on what is after all, an open Forum.  Why would Emma give such advice, the thread was apparently pulled .......... with again, no explanation. 
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