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CaroleM

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Nervous newby
« on: June 27, 2017, 05:42:31 PM »

Hello. At 63 you might think I should, hopefully, be coming towards the end of the menopause. Don't believe a word of it :'(.

My name is Carole, married, no children, 4 cats and 5 hens! We live in Plymouth, Devon. Not sure what else to tell you at the moment, but I am so happy to have found you all. It's amazing how googling the 'Newsnight' can lead to newspaper article about Kirsty Wark, which in turn led me to you.

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Hothothot

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2017, 06:17:18 PM »

Hello CaroleM,

I'm a newby too. I've been dipping in and out of the forum for the last year or so (I'm 50 and in perimenopause), and finally decided to sign up and join in last week.

I have found so much helpful information here, and I'm sure you will too. :)
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Mbrown001

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2017, 06:34:21 PM »

Oh you are the lady who thinks they are too old for the forum..


 :welcomemm:


All welcome.
Tell us a bit about yourself. Symptoms if you want and anything else you want to share.

Browse around and join in.

Mrs Brown
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dazned

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 07:26:43 PM »

 :welcomemm:

Great to have you on board !☺
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CaroleM

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2017, 08:01:58 PM »

Thank you for your kindness, much appreciated.

At 63, I seem to be very old for this forum and I'm pretty used to be told that by now it's all my imagination. Thankfully, my brilliant husband knows that is definitely not so. He even snapped at an acquaintance that she should be very happy if everything is rosy in her life and it would serve her nastiness right if she ends up in living hell too. I can understand his sentiments, but wouldn't wish this on any one.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's good to realize I not on my own anymore. My amazing Mum, at 94, has dementia, so cannot be there for me now.

My tale of woe goes back to my first period aged 12, in 1966. I was adopted in 1954, aged 3 months, so have no family health history. My Mum says this never helped her to try working out any cycle for me. It always was erratic from the start. At that time doctors never believed anything could possibly be wrong with a child in that way, you were regarded as an attention seeker. A girl whose periods are so erratic as 2 in one month to 1 every 6 months if I'm "lucky" is apparently normal. Mum was furious for me, but still no one listens.

On I go, through school, a career in the RAF and life in general. In my 20's I take a huge deep breath and to see my GP; male, approaching retirement, so you can guess the outcome. Yep, I imagined it. He duly retired. His locum replacement was a wonderful young lady. She did an immediate smear test and we await the results. I get a phone call from the same GP, she'd like to see me, in the next 10 minutes would be fine, err umm!  Yes, my results are back and YES there are problems.  Another smear is iffy, but we'll keep a close eye on things.

Now I get my lovely new female GP. She sends off a blood test to see the dose needed for my HRT. Happy me is ready to bounce with joy!. Now things get somewhat surreal. She gets an urgent call from the laboratory - surely the age/dob are wrong. This sample came from a person in their 60's or 70's!  Ooops.  A call to me and off I go to hear my hormonal fate. Luckily both she and I have a warped sense of humor.  I do get the correct hormonal dose for my just 30 year old me and my OAP hormones! Life sort of settles down for a time. No moods, no too damned hot, still stupidest period shows ever. Another smear, another iffy result, but this time it's a big iffy. More pretty photos. Before those results arrive I hemorrhage, my GP rushes down and does another urgent smear whilst we wait for the ambulance to arrive. It's all great fun!

Results all arrive back at the same time. A visit to the gynea is arranged for the following day. Result, I win 1st prize, an immediate hysterectomy.  I was 35.  Two days after the op my registrar comes to have a chat. I ask him to be straight, he tells me "Two years and you would have had a wooden overcoat". Interesting! They, thank God, got the lot, I've been lucky. Now the 'fun' really begins. I go back on HRT. React to the tablets, so we go on to the patches. I'm highly allergic to the sticky stuff! That really was painful. Back we go to the tablets, I like these. Next stop, I turn 50 and the HRT/breast cancer scare rears its horrible head and I have to wave bye bye to nice HRT. The last 13 years have and continue to be HELL. No matter what is tried, nothing helps in the least. Well, not quite so, I get put on a very old fashioned beta blocker. In very tiny doses it can help in horrendous menopause cases. It sort of worked for a couple of weeks. I liked those weeks😸. Now I discover that it might be possible to go back on to HRT.  I'm going to get all the stats and info together before making an appointment with my new female GP. Wish me luck!

This must appear to be War and Peace, good book but heavy going, much like my gynae history! Hope I have not bored you silly. Actually, I'm amazing me by writing this, not like me to be so open.

All good wishes,
Carole
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MicheleMaBelle

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 08:18:15 PM »

 :foryou:caroleM- never too old. You're amongst friends xxx
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CaroleM

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Just a smile
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2017, 08:21:42 PM »

Having "one of those moments", I picked up my fan. I thought you might like to know that I'm collecting a lovely collection of very pretty fans. Some even have matching parasols!!!!😸😸😸😸😸😸😸😸
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Taz2

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 08:51:22 PM »

Hi Carole. You certainly have been on a roller coaster but your sense of humour shines through. You will find lots of friendship and advice on here and I'm sure we will all benefit from you joining us too!!

I hope that you are able to go back onto HRT. The advice thirteen years ago was so misplaced I believe and led to many women leading a miserable existence with no real need. I see that you were allergic to the adhesive in the patches? Can you remember which ones as the adhesive differs in each type. There is also a gel. You may have problems persuading your GP to start you on HRT at your age but if this is the case persevere. I am always having to battle with mine to keep it but others on here, in their sixties, get it prescribed with no problems.

Let us know how you get on!

Taz x  :welcomemm:
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CLKD

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 10:10:13 PM »

Oh do join in!  Make a list of symptoms to take to your next appt., decide which is the one you want sorted and go from there.  It can be Trial and Error but do press on. 

As oestrogen levels drop the muscles may become lax = aches and pains as well as the body drying out: inside and out  >:(  ::) - eyes, ears, nostrils, vagina  :o - we have plenty of threads on that one!

Ask away.  Some ladies find keeping a mood/symptom/food diary useful too.
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Hurdity

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 12:08:30 PM »

Hi CaroleM

 :welcomemm: from me too.

As you've had a hysterectomy then hopefully you might be able to restart a low dose of oestrogen - transdermal is recommended at your age. If your GP does not approve then maybe you can ask for a referral to a menopause specialist. You should not have to suffer! As for beta-blockers - well I'm glad they worked for a few days but it is outrageous for you to have been given heart medication instead of oestrogen, albeit a small dose. No way I would take these - as they lower the blood pressure (mine's low anyway), and therefore can lead to dizziness/light-headedness - and they can be difficult to come off so I understand?

I am taking HRT in my 60's (have been taking it for 10 years). One female GP at my practice said I shouldn't be on it and has taken various neighbours off it - but I refused to play ball and went to another GP (specialist gynae one) and now the repeat prescription gets renewed automatically.

Estradot is a very small patch so less area of skin to cover - as Taz says some of the patches have different adhesives so a different one might be better.

Hurdity x
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CLKD

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 12:46:32 PM »

Hurdity - it depends on which BB is prescribed.  My GP gave me one in 2001 to counteract anxiety surges and in general, it has served me well all those years, taken twice a day.  Plus my AD and the emergency anti-anxiety drug without any of these I wouldn't be here. 

A GP will prescribe appropriately in general dependant on what the patient presents in Surgery with.  What worries me is that the other options are  often not offered, particularly with ladies having no consultation regarding which HRT would help; prior to undergoing Hysterectomy!!!  This could start at GP/Practice Nurse level B4 referral to the Consultant for advice.

It is important to decide which symptom one would like controlled and seek appropriate advice, pity GPs don't read here to see what difficulties some ladies experience with getting that advice  :bang:
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Mbrown001

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 01:27:12 PM »

I'm on a low dose of Propanolol 10mg once a day. It really does have its place in the management of some menopausal problems.
It does help with anxiety surges so perhaps ask your GP to try a more modern BB. Propanolol however is the one that is generally prescribed.

The low dose that is given for anxiety is completely different than for those with heart issues. So in this instance it's not a heart medication. Like quite a few drugs there is a crossover to treat other conditions. I asked my GP if it would help my at times slightly high BP (White Coat Syndrome). She laughed and said it would make no difference at all at that dosage.

Utrogestan for instance is used for fertility treatment which is obviously not what the women on MM need it for.  We don't think it's outrageous to use that at the correct dose.
So if you found a BB helpful there is no reason not to explore taking that alongside an appropriate HRT.

Unfortunately it can take time and a great deal of effort to find the HRT that will be best for you.


Mrs Brown



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dahliagirl

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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 02:18:26 PM »

Hi - it sounds like you are part of the 'lost generation' of women who ended up not taking hrt because of the millennium scares that Kirsty was talking about  :(  I hope you find something that suits soon.
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CLKD

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 03:03:31 PM »

My Propranolol dose is 40mg cut into half at breakfast and half at bed-time.  At my Annual Review my GP told me "It's not the usual way of prescribing it" and we discussed that through trial and error I had found that cutting it in half gets rid of the headaches I had in the mornings.  Job Done!
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Re: Nervous newby
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 07:24:23 PM »

CaroleM, I'm sorry you have been suffering for so many years without any help, I think it is dreadful that you were expected to live in that way for that length of time.  Don't despair, it is not too late to start oestrogen replacement and the fact that you have had a hysterectomy means it is a whole lot easier because you don't need progesterone - transdermal oestrogen is risk free because all the risks (albeit small risks) are in the progesterone component of HRT not the oestrogen.  Apparently oral oestrogen is more of a risk once you get past 60.

I didn't get on with patches either and if you find they cause an allergic reaction then there is no point in persevering with them.  Why not try Oestrogel?  It is easy to use (you simply rub it on your skin) and very flexible because you can easily adjust the dose to suit your needs. 

My advice is don't suffer any longer and ask your doctor for the gel but if you get any resistance, seek advice from a private menopause specialist.  I am confident that Professor Studd would prescribe the gel for you but I am sure there are plenty of other menopause specialists who would too.
 

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