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edelweiss

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2017, 10:15:44 PM »

Yes indeed I am also wishing you all the luck in the world.
All this talk of Utro making some ladies sleepy I'm tempted to pop one myself... xxx
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Tempest

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2017, 10:23:59 PM »

DO IT!!!!! If you think it'll help, it has to be worth a try....... If you do, please let us know If it makes a difference. I'll be thinking of you tonight too! :) xxxxx

Just coming back to the whole balance debate, post number 5 of this link is interesting though....

http://www.hystersisters.com/vb2/showthread.php't=493690

The US has much more of a handle on this than we do in the UK. So seemingly if this post is true, I'll need to tolerate ERT only for a while at least, unless Professor Lumsden agrees to go for it from the jump (I'm thinking she'll probably want to wait, if she's willing at all)! :-\ I'm hitting her with Diane's story all the same - we share EXACTLY the same experience after all and I have absolutely nothing to lose!
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dangermouse

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2017, 10:38:19 PM »

That article was great! The comment from the uninformed specialist to say that progesterone is a "horrible hormone" is quite incredulous?!!!

I used to assume specialists were all experts in their fields but having come across a 'top' gastroenterologist who only considered the obvious and discounted anything else and a brilliant endocrinologist who was quite the opposite, it's clear it's down to the individual doctor.

Good luck all with finding a combi regime and, Tempest, as you've already had bad reactions to ERT alone then I would ask for the progesterone immediately. The Utrogestan does not have any risks attached to it and maybe you could take every other day as some do to keep the levels even.
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Annie0710

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2017, 10:55:57 PM »

I think if things change for me in a bad way then I'd change to E,P and T replacement

It's just my hair seems to be a tad better on this, plus I'm scared to rock a steady(ish) boat

Re: utrogestan, I did think I'd seen somewhere that it's not only 200mg, but remember now the source I used was only given in 200mg xxx
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Rhiner

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2017, 07:03:31 AM »

As some of you know I was on oestrogen alone for 9 weeks before adding any prog, as we wanted things to settle to ensure the right dose of Oestrogen first (I have my uterus but ovaries removed), I was still a little low mentally, on oestrogen alone (and it is not like me to be 'down'). I went on alternate day dosing of 100mg Utrogestan and after experiencing some dizziness etc for a couple of weeks my mood improved and normality in terms of mental wellbeing got back to normal. Whether this would have happened with oestrogen alone eventually I do not know, but maybe if its a small dose of prog that is used it can make a difference in terms of wellbeing?
Good look Tempest in your discussions!
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Tempest

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2017, 09:15:03 AM »

Hi ladies.

After a pretty hellish night again, I've phoned Diane on her mobile and left a message to see if there is any way she can offer advice before my appointment with Professor Lumsden next Tuesday. I hope she phones me back! I'll keep you all posted.....xxxx
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Annie0710

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2017, 09:19:11 AM »

Aw what happened in the night Tempest ?
Really hope she phones back and gives some helpful advice xx
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Wrensong

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2017, 09:32:46 AM »

Hi Tempest, just catching up with recent posts on your thread & the link about progesterone post-hysterectomy.  When I mentioned earlier that I had found the sedative properties of Utrogestan helpful I didn't specifically have Utrogestan in mind as possibly a good choice for you, though of course Prof Lumsden will be the best to advise on this if it is agreed a prog trial is worthwhile & you yourself feel the natural progesterone may be right. 

As you have been so sensitive to fluctuations (as a long, hellish peri would indicate I also seem to be), I was thinking more of a conti-combi patch for the continual, gradual release of a progestin, though I know this would not be bioidentical.  I feel a dilemma here as I don't want to say anything alarming, knowing that many other ladies do very well on Utrogestan, but I also want to make sure that what I wrote about Utro was not misleading.  I should stress that I had to abandon the Utrogestan-Estradot trial because the side effects were too severe & I certainly would not wish that experience on you. 

After 3 1/2 weeks on Utro-Estradot 75, I had 9 days of very bad irregular palpitations (ectopics) in recurrent episodes, each lasting 1-2 hours, day & night & these only stopped when my GP advised me to take a break from Utro.  Had I not already experienced (& had thoroughly investigated) very similar palpitations continually for a few years in peri this would have completely freaked me out when they began again 2 weeks ago. 

Then, last week, on stopping the Utro for 3 days as advised by GP, I had a horrible reaction - continual, extreme tension/anxiety for no good reason & resurgence of intense, long-duration night sweats with hammering heart & the sudden waking in terror that has always been a feature of night sweats for me.  I gritted my teeth & restarted the Utro as advised, but just 3 days later, felt so unwell (really intense night sweats, hammering heart & persistent tension) that I had to abandon the trial at just 5 weeks & revert to Evorel Conti. 

Not sure at this stage whether the problems were due to peaks & troughs in Utro blood levels, whether Utro is simply wrong for me, or whether the high dose oestrogen was too much, so that's no help to you, but I felt I had to sound a note of caution.  That said, an earlier trial of Utro a year ago, with a lower dose of oestrogen (Evorel 50) was stopped after just 3 days - similar extreme palpitations, so this makes me think the problem for me probably  lies with Utro rather than Oestrogen dosage.  No such problems with the conti release Norethisterone in Evorel, though I know for some ladies this is the devil incarnate!  This is why I favoured a conti release method for you.

I'm sorry to have stressed the unpleasantness of the Utro-Estradot experience, as I realise it may make it more difficult for you to be confident in whatever you decide with Prof Lumsden, but you have suffered so much already, I would hate for you to start Utro without being aware of what has recently happened to me.  Big hug & I wish you so much luck with your next step.
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Tempest

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2017, 09:34:25 AM »

Hi Annie. The same things that have been happening over the last week or so. Terrible night sweats and suddenly feeling at 6am as if I'm going to die. Huge adrenal surge, head in a vice, heart racing and chest pain. It's awful! I hope she does call me. I know it's early days on the Estrogel and I'm on a small dose at the moment and have to take it steady, but I don't know how much more of this I can take. It's been 2 years of this now and I'm still no further forward! Sorry to sound so whiny and desperate.....xxxxx
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Annie0710

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2017, 09:39:29 AM »

You rant away ! I went 3 years feeling terrible before I found this forum, I don't think I even had the ability 'to think' back then

It's nasty and there just HAS to be a bloody solution for you and others suffering so bad, fingers x'd she calls and helps

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Tempest

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2017, 09:44:23 AM »

Thank you so much, Wrensong! I really appreciate your care and input. Sounds like our night sweats are pretty much the same too! :o

Yes, I have to be very careful so as not to enter into an even bigger hellish situation. This is why part of me is wondering if I should in fact explore Premarin again as I've met 3 ladies in surgical menopause plus my Mum who all did well on it. If I could just get past the dizziness and nausea on it! I'd also want to know that it wasn't going to be discontinued like Prempro.

I find it extraordinary having spoke to my pharmacist who tells me that Premarin is still by far the HRT they dispense the most that we never have ladies coming here to say they are not doing well on it. Also, one of our surgical menopause ladies, Mer, was placed on it after having a bad time with Tibolone and we've never heard from her again so I'm assuming she's ok! Hmmmm.....
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Wrensong

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2017, 09:57:27 AM »

Tempest you are right - I hadn't realised, but I can't remember reading (m)any complaints about Premarin either.  How odd given its derivation!  Have often said if I were a horse they'd shoot me - perhaps I should try Premarin instead  ;)!
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Tempest

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2017, 12:57:35 PM »

Ha ha! Me too,  Wrensong! We've had a fair few ladies recently who are very unhappy after their Prempro was discontinued and are having problems adjusting to other synthetics and bioidenticals. I'm wondering if Premarin is next for the axe..... :o
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dangermouse

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2017, 02:37:08 PM »

I suspect the oestrogel is over stimulating you and when our natural adrenaline rises suddenly at about 5/6am you feel it 100x more.

Utrogestan (because oral) can convert to oestrogen too (the reason my endo said I shouldnt try it) so starting with a good balance between the oestrogen and progesterone may make things generally in a more balanced form as you're likely to have to go through a week or so of volatility anyway.

Or you could try he Utrogestan on its own and then when thats calmed things add the oestrogel. Premarin might be a good mix but I think it's one you can't stay on forever like the bioidenticals. May be good in the short term though.

When you get the extreme physical anxiety try to ride it along understanding what it is and that it will calm later in the day. I also find paracetamol (and the ones with caffeine for me) take the edge off of the adrenaline, since I've found out my imbalance manifests as migraine.
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Dee46

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Re: Scared To Try HRT Again
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2017, 03:28:10 PM »

Tempest, I feel like you did this morning most days since being on an AD & hrt, I get the dreads come over me, the feeling of dying is awful i get that too, anxiety through the roof, head pressure knotted stomach, & i don't even feel like I am on this planet half of the time  I want to get away from everyone & have sobbing sessions, how cruel is this time of our lives , we have to try to keep strong
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