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Joyce

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2014, 09:20:27 PM »

My very nice meno specialist also says 60 is the cut off point for HRT.
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Sarah2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2014, 09:36:06 PM »

She might be nice but she's not right :) There is nothing in any literature about 60 being a cut off point.
Why are women swallowing this line?


The latest recommendations from the BMS say that there should be no  'automatic' cut off point. In fact they even recommend which type of HRT is best for women starting it age 60+.

This 'must stop at 60' is a myth that's being circulated mainly on this forum because a few women here have been told this. It's not borne out in real life - there are women here and women I know who are over 60, and even over 70 who are using HRT.
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honeybun

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2014, 09:40:31 PM »

Never been told I am passive aggressive before......interesting.


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Taz2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2014, 09:49:48 PM »

This is not a myth. I don't know why we disagree with what is told by us from professionals who we decide to consult. From the age of 60 to 70 the risks and the benefits become equal but after 60 the risk of stroke rises and also heart disease from the continued use of oestrogen. The Oxford Menopause Clinic, my GP and my consultant gynae all say that after 60 HRT is inadvisable.

To get this clear - women are not usually denied HRT after the age of 60 but they are advised that it would be better to stop due to the increased stroke risk. The BMS themselves do state that if HRT is to be continued after 60 then the lowest possible dose should be used. If there was no risk why would they say this?

Most GP's now will offer HRT after the age of 60 but it will be put on your notes that you have had the risks explained to you and that you agree that you will be at more risk from stroke or heart disease.

What does your specialist say Sarah - are you over 60 and happy to continue?

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Sarah2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2014, 07:37:36 AM »

Taz-we are disagreeing because I think what you are posting is slightly inaccurate.

How risks rise at a certain age- they are based on the old WHI trials AND they apply to oral oestrogen from what I've read.
There are other favourable stats that show that 10 years of HRT ( starting at whatever age) can reduce cardiovascular disease. There are other stats that show women on oestrogen only HRT have fewer cases of breast cancer than women not on HRT or on combined HRT. There are secondary benefits such as better bone health where relevant ( as in my case) and less bowel cancer. These alone are not a reason to make HRT a first choice treatment necessarily, but they are considerations for each woman and her current or hereditary risks.

The BMS doesn't say what you have written here in my opinion. I may be wrong, but my interpretation of the statement is different!

If HRT is to be used in women over 60 years of age, lower doses should be started, preferably with a transdermal route of administration.

Call this semantics if you like but 'Is to be used '  means to me that if HRT is STARTED at 60  - because they use the word 'started' . They don't use the word 'continued'  as in 'If HRT is to be continued'.  There  is a difference and it may be an important one.

The BMS also says this:

-The decision whether to use HRT should be made by each woman having been given sufficient information by her health professional to make a fully informed choice.
-The HRT dosage, regimen and duration should be individualised, with annual evaluation of pros and cons.
-Arbitrary limits should not be placed on the duration of usage of HRT; if symptoms persist, the benefits of hormone therapy usually outweigh the risks.


If that is not saying that HRT can continue indefinitely based on a woman's own choice and medical history then I don't know what it IS saying!

It IS a myth in the sense that there are no guidelines or recommendations to say women have to stop at 60. Individual drs have their own opinions but they are precisely that: opinions. To my mind the statement from the BMS tries to put an end to women being denied HRT due to duration on it, age , etc.

You ask about my experience: I've answered this question already a few times.  I discuss duration and risks with my specialist at my appts. I've reached 5 years so wondered how long I could continue- risks supposedly rise after 5 years ( again, old WHI trial - later trials such as the Danish one studied women for 16+ years and saw no increase in major risks) and many drs make women stop after 5 years. When I mentioned that I'd have to come off it sometime he didn't agree. I am 60 next year and it's been suggested that I will probably have a break for 3 months or thereabouts not because I will be 60 but because I'll have been on it for 7 years, so it might be an idea to see how I get on without it.
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Morwenna

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2014, 07:52:16 AM »

-The decision whether to use HRT should be made by each woman having been given sufficient information by her health professional to make a fully informed choice.
-The HRT dosage, regimen and duration should be individualised, with annual evaluation of pros and cons.


My lovely GP told me he will be happy for me to continue indefinitely with HRT based on the above criteria. He says he 'has ladies in their seventies' on it.
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libby1

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2014, 07:53:22 AM »

The whole point of this forum is to share our experiences and thoughts isn't it?  ;) We gather information and decide for ourselves what is the right thing for us.

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Sarah2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2014, 07:58:18 AM »

Yes of course it is. :) But it would be wrong to give people mis-information, and opinions ( even if they are drs') masquerading as fact.
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Taz2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2014, 08:05:28 AM »

My "opinion" is based on my experiences of course. It is also based on what friends have  been advised by meno specialists, private consultants, GP's and gyna consultants. I merely said that women at 60 are advised of the risks if they want to continue with HRT. It is not withdrawn from them - they are entitled to still use it but they have to have the risks explained to them. This is what happened to me. It is fact!

I don't think that this is mis-information at all.  I haven't read the whole thread though - too many long posts - but I haven't said that I have been denied HRT - merely had the risks pointed out to me.

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Sarah2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2014, 09:03:17 AM »

Taz- you said this:

To get this clear - women are not usually denied HRT after the age of 60 but they are advised that it would be better to stop due to the increased stroke risk
and in the previous post you said your drs said it was 'inadvisable to continue after 60'.

maybe you didn't mean it to sound so cut and dried as it came across, but it did appear that you were saying women had to fight hard to get HRT after 60 and that drs didn't advise it. If I've misread this then I apologise:)

HRT is a contentious issue. One of the most anti- HRT drs I have come across- via radio and so on- is a dr / specialist in Oxford, who continues to support the findings of the WHI and the MW study in the UK.

All drs have to explain risks - it's their ethical duty - and there are risks with HRT before age 60. But it's essential to put the risks into context and look at absolute risk not relative risk. The absolute risk figures are still very small even if you take worst case scenario of the trials now shown to be flawed.
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Rowan

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2014, 09:11:24 AM »

So it goes on I take my patch off, I put it on again, I take it off.......... ???
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sweettooth

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2014, 09:35:34 PM »

My knowledge is same as Sarah.  I was told this by a lady Gynae whose mother was still on it (very low dose) in her eighties! Some of the top Gynae professionals such as Studd are great advocates - he has been dealing with menopausal women of all ages for years so would surely know if the risks were worrying.  Another Gynae told me that some of her private patients on hrt are in their seventies.  This is a very individual decision and is not all clear cut, there are lots of things to take into consideration ie patients health, family history etc.  Some people will smoke and develop diseases such as lung cancer and others wont, we just dont know.

Personally as long as my health allows i will take a little estrogen but thats just me and i can equally understand someone that decides not to x















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Rowan

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2014, 10:01:37 AM »

An interesting book , I read that Publishers in France didn't dare publish it, (read it on a translated French website)

Sexual Chemistry: Understanding Our Hormones, the Pill and HRT

Whatever you decide to do or think this is  thought provoking reading.

In my opinion ultra low doses are the way to go if you want to take HRT, other wise if you do have to come off at 60 for what any reason you body wont go into melt down, combined with supplements diet and a healthy life style, you don't need to take large amounts of HRT.

Relying on large amounts of HRT to keep you feeling and looking the way you did pre menopause is not going to happen( though in some ways I feel a whole lot better) but taking a small amount eg 0.14 micrograms of estrodiol which does not build up the lining of the womb ( if you have one) helps with bone loss, also estriol for VA if needed. I think after sixty a woman should be able to continue with this amount of estrodiol (monitored) no matter what the guidelines say if she wants to.



 
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Taz2

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2014, 11:07:14 AM »

I did try half a patch for quite a while a couple of years ago but I still had horrendous sweats - this is the main problem for me as I can't work properly while they are happening and it takes around ten minutes from start to finish for each sweat so I was only having a five minute "good" gap before the next one started. I have been moved to a less "challenging" class too which has saddened me but I understand the reasons. You have to be in tip top form to do what I was doing before and I just wasn't quite meeting the challenge while off HRT.

I've been off it again for 10 days now and had my first sweaty night last night plus a couple of not too bad flushes this morning.

My skin is still so soft - it makes me jump each time I rub my arm because the difference is amazing. No need for any moisturising lotions whereas, before, I was getting through bottles of the stuff.

Leg and chin hairs all grew very quickly when back on HRT but these have slowed down already - especially the chin ones. I will focus on this positive!  ;D

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Rowan

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Re: Restarted HRT
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2014, 11:54:46 AM »

Taz try dry skin brushing it keeps the skin amazingly soft and is good for firming the skin too, I have done this for years and have been told how

soft my skin is all you need is baby oil after you have bathed :) 

There are so many ways to combat being off HRT or on a smaller amounts, your body has been use to large amounts and has not got used to a lower hormone state.

Once you have had your ops and recovered, you hopefully will be allowed to go back on estrogen even if it is a lowered amount. 
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