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Author Topic: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this  (Read 7185 times)

Tingly

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Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« on: October 07, 2013, 06:43:50 PM »

I came across a forum today where a woman who was under 50 had been prescribed the following
2 squirts of oestrogel a day
A bit of testosterone cream and 7 days of progesterone

Has anyone heard of, tried or used this?

Tingly

Ps still on the vagifem( week 4) but urethra burning and new sensation of being kiked between the legs today.... V strange.
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Cassie

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 07:56:13 PM »

This sounds like a pretty normal regime, that a specialist like Prof Studd would prescribe, yes. With 7 days of Prog, one would need regular scans though to check uterine lining.
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Tingly

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 08:18:28 PM »

Professor Studd ...is he a break away radical type , or is he the tip top of the profession?
And why would this do any more of a job than say estradot and utrogestan, how would this make va any better i wonder?

Its a bloomin mystery this hrt game!!!!
Now i know what rocket scientists must say when faced with a task thats fairly simple... " well its not hrt science!!!"
« Last Edit: October 07, 2013, 08:20:56 PM by Tingly »
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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 11:26:58 PM »

Yes Tingly, there must be medical students out there who say 'god no, don't even touch the menopause as your specialist subject, it's way too hard. Rocket science is so much easier to understand!' By the way, is this the first time you've had any problems with Vagifem?
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Cassie

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 05:42:40 AM »

I dont know that it would do any better job, any oestrogen would help for VA and in my opinion, Utro is the best you can get if you have to use a progesterone, but sometimes, one needs to target the area specifically with something like Vagifem and still use the HRT as well for the other symptoms of meno. I dont know him but have heard that he is in private practise and is reputed to be v good.
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Tingly

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 08:09:23 AM »

Ive never had the vagifem before...on week 4 now

Cleared bladdermup quite good and mornings up to about 11 am are not bad but urethra gets gradually stingy and hot during thenday,,.,even though i "go commando!"
Its helped but not cleared it completely
Maybe i need to five itmore time

Also i was thinking if i had hrt as well ive got to come off it at some point and maybe then the atrophy would come back anyway??
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Taz2

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 08:29:28 AM »

Having atrophy is not something that you have to get through and out the other side of though Tingly - it will always be there without oestrogen replenishment. By having HRT now it will keep things in better shape. Yes, it will come back if you stop HRT but at least you will have had some relief for a while.

I can't remember.. have you VA plus another vaginal problem or "just" VA?

Taz
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Tingly

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 09:08:20 AM »

No , just va alone but urogenital so its bladder as well as vaginal.
Its mainly urethral burning now with the occasional bladder pain on filling.

Xxx
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Taz2

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 09:25:07 AM »

Urogenital Atrophy and Vaginal Atrophy are the same condition so the treatment is the same. The whole of the lower urinary tract is affected although if you catch it quick enough then bladder problems can be lessened. When did you get your diagnosis and what treatment have you had so far?

Taz
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Tingly

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2013, 09:36:32 AM »

Well ,
Doctor 1. I went to, told her my symptoms, she had a look , did a smear and said i was slightly under oestrogenized. Took me off estradot/utrogestan and put me on hormonin/ utrogestan
Doctor 2. Went to after 8 weeks of above regime and still in agony... Added ovestin to the mix and sent me to consultant
Consultant visit 1.Took myndetails and said it sounded classic va
Then did an examination, then sent me for scans before she would prescribe anything
Consultant visit 2. Said endometrium v thin, kidney ultrasoung clear , bladder clear, ovaries normal.
Offered me a urethral stretch... Which i politely declined ( had a cystoscopy 18 months ago for something else and there was no indication given of strictures or that it needed stretching)
She then took me off all oral hrt incase progesterone was irritating bladder and said to try the vagifem

Which is where i am now 4 weeks in
I hated utrogestan and domt miss it... Although im sweating like crazy without the estro ... But apparentky that could also be the rapid withdrawal

But then i read about a specialist saying oestrogel, 7 days prog and poss testosterone and wondered if that might work. Hes an eminent professor apparently.... But veryone seems to say something different.
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Hurdity

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 10:16:59 PM »

Hi Tingly

This regime has been discussed several times on this forum - try googling Prof Studd. Mostly around 2011 initially so look for threads around this time and a bit later.

As Cassie said this regime is prescribed usually by private gynaes particularly since testosterone is not often given on the NHS unless you've had a total hysterectomy, and even then, or even if testo levels are shown to be low there is reluctance. This isn't helped by the removal from sale in UK of the testo products suitable for women  ie implants and patches so only testo gel manufactured for men can be prescribed and there are no licensed doses for women.

Prof Studd is not breakaway - he just happens to be an eminent specialist in his field who has been researching menopausal hormones for many years so as a gynaecologist he is able to personalise his dosing regimes based on his detailed knowledge of how it all works. Here's his website:
http://www.studd.co.uk/

Having said that I gather he is very very expensive and I do not agree with private consultations at excessive cost only available to the few who can afford it. His knowledge which will have been gained at public expense, should be available to all. That's a separate issue though!

Anyway I also gather his bedside manner sometimes leaves much to be desired and he is not always open to challenge! If you were going to go private I would go to Nick Panay who is also very eminent and has done a lot of research with Studd so also very knowlegdeable. I think I remember from a member on here that he does practise on NHS as well as privately - but in London so mayb at a meno clinic. You can look under find a specialist on this site and see if he comes up.

The private gynaes do favour oestrogel because you can alter the dose more easily but really i doubt you would feel any different re oestrogen levels than with patches, and the progesterone would be the same. Some women find it tricky getting the right knack of applying the gel to give consistent dosage but others swear by it, and you have to apply it every day. No zebra stripes though! Some of these private gynaes prescribe norethisterone as the 7 day prog because it is many times more potent than our own progesterone. If you are intolerant of prog though, that might send you up the walls!

Testo I gather is good for low libido, and lack of energy etc - but only if this is due to low testo if you see what I mean - rather than something else eg thyroid issues.

When you say everyone says something different - the top gynaes are fairly unified on the best approach - the difference is in the details. Also there is more than one way to help each woman with hormones and menopause, and not really enough precise research on what effects the different HRT preparations have - so it does come down to trial and error a lot of the time - within the general prescribing parameters for HRT.

Bit of a ramble tonight... hope not too confusing

Hurdity x
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Tingly

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 07:49:54 AM »

Hurdity,
You are an actual mine of information, and have answered many questions that i had in my head
Ie the progesterone part will still make me feel revolting etc
I agree about private... I am lucky , my husbands got a private med ins at work which covers spouses so i intended making use of that

It had also crossed my mind....what happens when i have to come off it again, what age will i have to come off it again, and really if hormonin and estradot didnt work, why would oestrogel as you said

Wouldnt bother with testosterone cos not bothered re urges anyhow!,

Am tempted to have one little extra go with vagifem for a couple of weeks tho, making it 3 a week
Yesterday was first good full day since may and this morning i dont feel too bad

Thanks for all your fantastic help

Tingly
Xxx
« Last Edit: October 09, 2013, 07:53:19 AM by Tingly »
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Hurdity

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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 02:32:06 PM »

Hi Tingly

I can't remember why hormonin didn't work or what it didn't work to relieve?
Anyway I would always go for bio-identical and transdermal oestradiol over any other type of oestrogen or mode of delivery because it gets the oestradiol into the system in the most natural way - and goes where it is needed, with the exception that some extra maybe needed in the vag area. (This is only because replacement oestrogen can't be given in the high doses that we had when young and cyclically).

Can't remember how old you are but don't worry about the coming off now. Concentrate on feeling as well as you can now and your needs now. I am always very surprised to hear women (not you!) say they won't go on HRT because they will get hot flushes when they come off. The important thing is quality of life now, while still young, rather than being miserable for years. The coming off date is not fixed anyway. Provided you are well informed, and your health permits it, you should be able to stay on it as long as you wish, while accepting any risks attached.

Hurdity x
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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 10:36:08 PM »

Just on 8th day of using Oestrogel, progesterone tablets for 7days and testosterone gel. Feeling better today. Have so many menopause symptoms. Vaginal atrophy, urethra atrophy, sweats, anxiety, depression. Have tried estrogen creams and many types of vitamins herbs etc over the years. Just in so much pain with burning and bleeding, have had to give hrt a go.
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Re: Va..oestrogel, prog and testosterone...anyone heard of this
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2013, 04:06:26 AM »

Ive never had the vagifem before...on week 4 now

Cleared bladdermup quite good and mornings up to about 11 am are not bad but urethra gets gradually stingy and hot during thenday,,.,even though i "go commando!"
Its helped but not cleared it completely
Maybe i need to five itmore time

Also i was thinking if i had hrt as well ive got to come off it at some point and maybe then the atrophy would come back anyway??

Atrophys a sod even with Vagifem took a extra 2x25 over 2 weeks so 3x25 a week for 2 weks
As Atrophy flared up 2 weeks it was back to normal 100% well 95% anyway
This week for no reason uretha bikt burny and sitting hurts as if theres a lump down there
I OK TAZZZZZZZZ QT I looked down there and no lumps dd see Tissue looked normal
Did the keegal and looked everything vanished??? The relaxed and 20% I could see tissue
But looking on EBodies on TV seeing other ladies vaginas oyung and old mine at the opening doeant look any different? BUT the skin inside the inner lips is red raw looks like its been burnt
So its sore of course made worse by the trots and its Vagifem night tonight
Last night  fist time in god knows how long I got the dizzies dead scarey took stemital
IM also dry outside look flacid pale not thnk I was on Vagifem I look flappy pale down there
Maybe hormones are screaming BUT oddly enough lovey Saturday and nothing from Bobbles
He didnt you know!!!! I tihnk that may have dried e out and irritated it though sex didnt hurt
We are YAYY Maybe as he didnt U KNOW I got dry? Last few days been sore wewe 2day?
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