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Author Topic: Utrogestan intolerance - other Progestin options and longer cycles?  (Read 868 times)

Hurdity

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Thanks everyone.

Re Utrogestan used vaginally - so 100mg every other day used this way would be sufficient, is that correct? 

It does seem to imply that 100mg every other day used vaginally is OK on the Newson Health Progesterone Intolerance Factsheet which I found earlier today on their Balance by Newson Health pages.

Can you get some kind of applicator to use for this method?  I have some problems with hand dexterity/fine tremor due to an autoimmune condition so an applicator would maybe be easier for me to do this more easily.

Re Newson Health - I'm seriously considering an appointment with one of their doctors if vaginal Utrogestan still causes significant problems for me.  Are they likely to be able to sanction Norethisterone or Provera off label as an alternative to Utrogestan?

Really appreciate all your help so far, I'm finding it all quite confusing to be honest! :o

What Newson Health says about progesterone is very much off-licence regimes they might recommend to women under their care who will pay for the advice and follow up scans.

There is some evidence from small trials to suggest that for low to medium doses  of oestrogen, 100 mg Utrogestan on alternate days, is sufficient to protect the endometrium but would be used with cuation as only small trials.

Both the manufacturer (Besins) and the BMS, recommended based on a review of evidence, that if used vaginally, the same dose should be used as for oral intake, and in fact for higher doses of oestrogen when bleeding is not controlled, they suggest higher doses of Utrogestan eg 300 mg per day for 12-14 days rather than 200 mg for sequential cycles and 200 mg per day rather than 100 mg, for continuous regimes.

As stated Provera is licensed for HRT so you can just get this from your regular GP if you want to try it. I understand that it is quite well tolerated by some women. Personally would not want to take it continuously due to question marks over potential breast cancer risk ( and I said question marks! ie just wanting to be cautious).

Not sure if applicators would hold the 100 mg - they are tiny (pesky) balls! I now use the 200 mg vaginal capsules which come with applicators (terribly wasteful) which I don't use, as I have always just poked them up with my fingers. Not sure much dexterity is needed but the 100 mg balls are quite difficult to hold I would say as they are so small!

If you wanted to use Utrogestan cyclically and vaginally then you should ask to be prescribed the vaginal utrogestan but unfortunately as this is off-licence in UK - you might have an issue ie they might refuse. Again I get mine from regular GP but I had been referred to a specialist for hysterosocopy and biopsy due to unscheduled bleeding, so it was after that, when I asked for the vaginal Utro.

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Hurdity

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Doctors prefer to prescribe norethisterone or provera because they give greater protection, which is the whole point of them.
These are licensed for HRT and easy to get prescribed.
It's usually more difficult to get Utrogestan because it's newer and not proven either way yet, the vaginal use is off label in the UK but not in France or Belguim.


All licensed products including Utrogestan are based on evidence from trials, otherwise they wouldn't be licensed. So in terms of being "proven" - yes it is, as much as any product can be "proven" to be effective. The trials will specify dose and delivery method so outside of this, then of course, no "proof" as such, especially eg if lower doses than licensed are used or eg higher doses of oestrogen. The dose will be determined through trials at different doses and the licensed ones being the most effective that minimise harm. Utrogestan I believe was first licensed in 2007 or 2008 - so not really new any more.

Your doc can prescribe any licensed product and no justification is needed - in the case of HRT its a matter of preference and it is your right to choose them if you are intolerant to other progs. Never mind what is on their preferred formulary list or whatever it is - they just need to put a note on your record why they are prescribing something different. Don't let them fob you off. If they've told you Utrogestan is not "proven" - they are wrong!!!

Apart from Vagirux and Estriol cream, no HRT product I use is on our local preferred list - well not the last time I looked anyway!

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Re: Utrogestan intolerance - other Progestin options and longer cycles?
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2024, 09:21:12 AM »

Hi Tumbleweed - just bumping this thread since you asked me to comment and I made a point of replying to all (?) your points and questions the other day and you might not have seen it? Maybe I've said nothing more than others had said but just wanted you to know that I did respond!

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