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Author Topic: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?  (Read 1839 times)

pastie supper

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Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« on: October 26, 2023, 11:44:03 AM »

If you don't like the gory details of being female then please don't read this. If you're fairly normal, then enter.

So, I've had trouble with occasional incontinence since menopause and recently I discovered that it is helped by pushing my bladder up and forwards so it slips back above my pubic bone at the front.

I didn't think of it before, it took for me to be changing my lunette cup one day and I felt it down below the pubic bone, clearly being squashed in the middle by the bone itself and maybe that's why I couldn't empty and I might wee myself in a flood as if it were just waiting to fall out, within 20 minutes of my last toilet visit.

I've already been pushing back against my rectocele for years in order for a smooth exit. If I don't there is no exit until it's a large ball, not recommended, trust me on that.

So now I'm checking the position of my bladder, via my vagina of course, and haven't had an accident since!

Before making this discovery, I wrote a long email to my GP (they haven't done doctor&patient appointments since 2019), she phoned me back a couple of weeks later and talked at length about how I can have two vagirux a week and it's very important to take all the progesterone I'm given, because I know the dangers, don't I? I said yes, I've read up on it, so she talked on repeat about HRT and the dangers of skipping progesterone doses, while seeming to say nothing at all about my actual problem.

I hate phonecalls, I'm hard of hearing but not the type that can be helped as it's an almost exclusively female reason for my deafness, this type doesn't happen often in men so there is no treatment and it's not been studied properly. So I struggle to keep up on phonecalls, it's a genuine problem when there is no alternative. By the time I've worked out all the words she said, she has moved on without letting me reply.
I mentioned this in my email, so she did pause to ask if I've a question and apologised for being a bit motor mouth, but it's still too much time pressure, I can't keep up on these "out of the blue" phonecalls and she can't see me to know that.

I already wanted to try an E-ring, but I didn't remember on the call, I'd not thought about it all much since sending the email a couple of weeks earlier, I need time to switch my focus, it doesn't happen as quickly for me as for most people.

Now I'm wondering would an e-ring keep my bladder in place as well as perhaps working to deliver local oestrogen?
All the vagirux is doing is making a nasty taste for my long suffering husband, he doesn't like it at all  ;D
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Joaniepat

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2023, 05:20:42 PM »

Hi pastie supper. If you mean the Estring, it's not design for that purpose, but I suppose you could try one and fiddle about with it a bit, see if it helps. It will give you the equivalent of 5 Vagirux per week.
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VioletAquarius

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2023, 10:23:39 PM »

I thought the estring gave prolapse support, thanks Joaniepat for confirming.

There is the ring pessary though that helps prolapse, but that doesn't give out estrogen.

I have urge incontinence  - would like to try and push my bladder back into place.   How do you move your bladder back?, and what exactly are you feeling for?, how would I know it's my bladder I'm pushing back?  And once pushed back, how long does it stay until the urinary problems return?
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pastie supper

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2023, 12:17:01 PM »

Oh goodness VioletAquarius, I've never described it before, I just worked it out myself so it might not even be the same for you, but I'll do my best to describe!

I put my fingers into my vagina and at the front is the pelvic bone. I noticed a bulge right above that bone, between the top of the pelvic bone and the band of tissue above it. I pressed it gently and got a very small but sharp pain. I felt certain it was my bladder and pressing it gave the feeling of suddenly having a full bladder. I gently kept pressure on it, pushing forwards so it slipped back behind/above the bone and behind the band of tissue.
Since then it's been much better, in fact I've not actually wet myself since and just sometimes I check. I expect it'll happen from time to time going forward as I get older so I'm really glad to have noticed it and can do something. It had been getting worse for a while, but that day was ridiculous and pushing it back into place stopped it being as bad. I'd maybe caused it to displace by using the cup, I don't know.

So that is my problem, there are a lot of things can go wrong down there, it could be something completely different for you.

There are specialist physiotherapists for this out there, might be one near you?

So Ering and Estring are two different products? I'd better google it before I ask anything more.
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Taz2

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2023, 03:42:09 PM »

A ring pessary is designed to hold the bladder up as you describe so this may be useful for you? https://www.mkuh.nhs.uk/patient-information-leaflet/vaginal-pessary-for-prolapse-2

Taz x
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VioletAquarius

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2023, 11:20:51 PM »

Thank you , that is a good explanation!
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Winterose

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Re: Does an E-ring help bladder prolapse?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2023, 11:09:23 AM »

I use an inflataball blow up pessary , really easy to use and available on Stress no more . Problem is with sizing and they are now expensive- used to be about £30 so not to bad to experiment with. However to me it’s a very small price to pay for the normality it provides .
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