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Honeybee2

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Re: Need help feeling awful again
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2023, 10:23:01 AM »

Yes Sarah I think we know our bodies so well . I have become obsessed with thinking about how my body is feeling and when I am having a bad day especially in the early hours worry sets in and it’s just the most horrible feeling it’s really hard to explain my brain feels blank and my body feels fast  . I often wonder why I am so extreme with this menopause stage when many friends and family are fine I know we are all different but it’s been really extreme to a
Point I think it sent me slightly mad xx
Thanks for the support xxx
Hoping cbt helps me and hope you get an appointment soon xx
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joziel

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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2023, 01:01:05 PM »

Honeybee2, I can completely relate to what you've been experiencing because I've gone through similar this last year. It has been absolute hell. For some of us, this is way more complicated than for others, is my conclusion. And I have come to the conclusion that I really need ongoing help from experts rather than attempting to use my regular GPs. Several of them have been completely useless. Actually, worse than useless because the things they have said have caused me way more anxiety and been outright wrong on many issues.

I have been with Newson Health from the beginning but I didn't have a doctor there who really understood the severity of what I was experiencing, to begin with. I recently switched doctors and it has been amazing and so great to feel like the doctor I'm now with completely understands my symptoms and how to approach it all. I'm now with Dr Olivia Jones there and she is great.

My worst symptoms happen at night and greatly affect my sleep. My heart beats hard and faster than usual, which makes falling asleep really difficult. I get inner tremors in my feet, hands and core at night, which makes it hard to sleep. I get hypnic jerks which wake me up just as I'm losing consciousness and I startle awake and then just can't fall asleep again. Some nights I've had only 3 hours of light sleep, many nights in a row. I've crashed my car into a pillar outside our house and I'm putting things in weird places now...

Things were very confusing for me because when I first started HRT, all these symptoms actually got worse with each patch increase until I went to A&E when I got to 75 patch. So I stopped all HRT for 5 months. But that didn't stop the symptoms either. I then re-started it on a low dose and gradually increased - but this time round the symptoms didn't get worse with the increases but also didn't get better. I got to 62.5 and had a blood test which found only 198pmol on day 2 of my cycle. (So I reckon most of that was the patch, not me.)

My regular GP told me I could increase to a 75 patch and prescribed 3 months for that. Because they ran out of patches they gave me some gel as well. Via my regular GP I've never been able to get the full prescription of what I was on, they have always been out of stock near me in something each time I need more. Newson always have had everything I need in stock.

I decided to try just the gel by itself, in case I wasn't absorbing the patches - so I've switched to that and I'm already seeing an improvement after just 2 weeks, although it's intermittent at the moment. My Newson GP said I probably need at least 100 if not higher, to override my own fluctuations. But we have to do it gradually. So I'm on 2 pumps of gel at the moment and if all this is still happening in 4-6wks I need to increase to 3 pumps. If it hasn't gone 4-6wks after that, to 4 pumps. (Then I have a review again.) I really like being given the HRT to find my own levels via the Newson GP and not having to go back to the health service GP every month to ask for an increase, it just adds so much more pressure and stress to have to fight for what I need.

I now think that what happened initially was because I'd just come off desogestrel and my ovaries had woken up at the same time and were probably making all kinds of estrogen spikes whilst I was also increasing the HRT. That was probably why everything got worse with each increase last year to begin with. Now all that has stopped and stabilised, hopefully I can get the HRT levels right.

Which is all to say: You likely need much more than a 75 patch. Your own GP will not want to prescribe more than 100, but you might need 150 or higher. And again seeing a specialist you'll be able to be prescribed that too and will have the freedom to find the right dose for you without having to beg for each increase. It shouldn't be like this but sadly it is.

Good luck, this is one of the worst times of my life - due to the lack of sleep... I really hope we can all find our HRT nirvanas soon...
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ToriiJ

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Re: Need help feeling awful again
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2023, 02:03:46 PM »

Hi Honeybee, sorry to hear you are feeling rubbish again. My journey has been very up and down, well mostly down unfortunately.

It’s beyond frustrating trying to get the doses right and then it taking time to see if it’s working is the pits.

Sorry I can’t offer much, but these ladies have offered some great advice. They have also helped me with their invaluable support.

I’m also sorry for the loss of your mum 🩷 take care xx
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JoannFran

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2023, 02:18:49 PM »

Hi

So sorry you are feeling this way again.  It's truly awful!  I have had exactly the same as you.  18 months ago I thought I was losing my mind.  I was severely anxious all the time like I was stuck in the fight or flight mode.  I wasn't eating, sleeping, functioning.  It's taken me the best part of a year to feel like I'm getting a life back.  I also have really bad health anxiety now as I truly believed there was something very wrong with me.  I'm now on 100 estrogen patches.  It's taken me a year to get to that.  I increase very slowly (cutting bits off the patches until I get to full dose).  My meno dr has also given me some gel and said I can add a pump if I wish (I haven't yet).  I was suffering with fast heart beat too and would wake up in a panic.  have you considered beta blockers?  I'm on 80mg slow release propranolol and they've almost eradicated the waking up in a panic feeling (although this month I'm having a lot of ectopic heart beats which I think is due to low progesterone).

I would think that if your symptoms are coming back then you might need more estrogen.  My meno dr says that women in peri often need higher doses.  Do you take magnesium? 

Hope you can find some answers and feel better soon.  So sorry for the loss of your mum  :'(
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Birdy in disguise

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2023, 09:24:14 PM »

Omg all of you are ME!
The one difference for me is that I've experienced the anxiety as complete paranoia and have aimed it directly at my relationship. Poor husband has slowly been worn down by my fear and constant need for reassurance. Not sure if our relationship will escape this change in me 😭. He's holding on but I have such trouble believing.
I wondered Honeybee if you went the other way and dropped the oestrogen down... When I was birthing my first child they had to induce me as my waters broke and nothing happened for 2 days, they slowly increased the dose to maximum and nothing happened, then they dropped it right down again and that's when I started responding. It's just a thought, start low and slowly build again. The other thing is taking the utrogestan vaginally. And (sorry more ideas) the other thing is instead of an anti depressant try an anti anxiety just a tiny amount and just for the times you feel things are jumping out of your chest.  I have had low dose lorazepam (they say very addictive) I've been prescribed 5 tablets and chopped them into 1/4s and hardly used them, (so used 5 tabs over 3-4 months) and took them when I was really upset and felt like I was losing my mind, definitely helped me let go and get some sleep. And perhaps even just tweaked my brain a little into relaxing. There's more to go for me, I've just started back on hrt after a years break. Starting on 25 estradot and going to try the utrogestan anally every other day, just to see if it makes any difference... Good luck and so sorry you've lost you mum. That's such a low blow. I wonder if you can feel her talk with you still when you're in a quiet place. I'm sure she's still connected to you.
We are opening into a different part of our lives I just hope the joy comes back. Things to laugh at.
Oh I just watched the Mafia Mamas  movie with that amazing actress Toni Collette in all her wrinkles and being her true self glory such a positive thing to see her being so sexy and brilliant at her age. Thank you for sharing your challenges it really helps me to read and see others also struggling with a complete change in themselves. We can get through this to our new wiser, more amazing selves. (It's just such a shame my behavior has been the worst side I've ever seen in myself, no excuses for me I've been so negative and angry, ugh) hopefully I will move on soon.
Lots of love and angel wishes to you all.
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Flossieteacake

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2023, 08:30:51 AM »

I am so happy to hear things have improved for you. I think getting decent sleep makes everything feel better. :)
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