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shoppingqueen

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2023, 12:33:53 PM »

Hi shopping queen, this wasn't a question to me but hope you don't mind if I answer anyway! I am at Nick Panay's clinic and prescribed 200mg x 12 days per month. Best of luck with the cyclogest!

Hi TT

Thank you for helping! I did insert 100 rectally last night- slept like a baby so not sure if it helped? All ok this morning so fingers crossed! I’ll do a week at 100 to adjust then go to 200 for a week. I’m sure 200 should be enough shouldn’t it as looking at the BMS sheet it states same dosage for utro and cyclogest. Thank you for your good wishes! Kept me posted as to how things go for you. Let’s hope all good xx
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shoppingqueen

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2023, 12:37:34 PM »

Sorry TT
I meant to ask what you use dosage wise for your estrogen? Hope you don’t mind me asking xx
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Toughtimes

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2023, 02:13:21 PM »

Of course estradot 75. I am finding the cyclogest makes me quite drowsy during the daytime - does anyone have any tips to overcome this? Am taking it early eve.
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shoppingqueen

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2023, 03:01:55 PM »

Thanks TT that’s reassuring that N Panay has said 200 cyclogest 12 days with the 75 patch so likely I’ll be around the right ball park with my 3 pumps. I’m planning on doing this for 3 months and then getting an ultrasound to check the lining at that point.

Hope someone can help with the day time tiredness. I think I’ll follow you and take mine early eve as well to see if this helps. I’m not complaining about my long deep sleep last night as I often experience insomnia, but I do have to get organised for work!

Hopefully someone will come in with some suggestions to help the sleepy daytime 🤞 thank you so much for help xx
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Hurdity

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2023, 04:39:40 PM »

Hi shopping queen

I'm a bit late to this thread but I took Cyclogest for about 4 years from approx 2007 - 2011. This was prescribed by the NHS GP (who had a special interest in gynaecology) before utrogestan was generally available or known about - in fact I told her about utrogestan in late 2011!

It is designed for both rectal and vaginal use and comes in 200 mg or 400 mg capsules.

As far as I know there is very limited research on its use in HRT. When I first took it I wrote to the manufacturer - I think it was Ferring at the time but might be mistaken, and they sent me some information but unfortunately I didn't save it and the e-mail is on my old computer.

Therefore I would suggest, unless there has been more research, that the dosage is guesswork, or trial and error based on the equivalent amount of Utrogestan.

I was prescribed 400 mg for 11 days per 28 day cycle. I used to get a regular withdrawal migraine so always timed it for the weekend so I would be able to work...

As with any progestogen used vaginally vs other methods, theoretically less should be needed compared with other methods ( rectal, oral) for protection of the uterus since the first "hit" is the womb, rather than being transported through the bloodstream ( via the upper digestive system in the case of utrogestan, via the rectum in the case of cyclogest).

In terms of systemic absorption - I had a google and found this study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22714063/

Although it was looking at the use of cyclogest in fertility and so the conditions are different, involving embryo transfer - nevertheless systemic levels were compared between vaginal and rectal administration:

"147 patients who underwent intra-cytoplasmic sperm injection cycle were randomized on the day of the embryo transfer (ET) by a computer-generated randomization program to receive 400 mg of Cyclogest either vaginally or rectally twice daily for up to 8 weeks."

"There were no significant differences in serum P concentration 6 days after ET, "(ET - embryo transfer)

When I took it, I used to put one (x 200 mg) up the front and one up the back! I really did not like the rectal route and the effect in the morning....(details would be TMI!).

I would imagine it is not advisable to cut the capsule unless under medical supervision and proper regular monitoring of the uterus lining - perhpas when very low oestrogen doses are used? It depends how the progesterone is distributed through the capsule itself.

Progesterone is a sedative so the tiredness is a necessary evil, because higher doses need to be taken daily in order that sufficient gets to the uterus - it breaks down quickly in the blood.

I hope this helps and all the best with it!

Hurdity x

PS Just to add that Cyclogest is available on NHS but will be off-licence for HRT, so a specialist private  prescription may be needed initially though a  £30 e-mail consultation to Dr Currie asking her specifically about this - might do the trick (cheaper than a private consultant!).


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shoppingqueen

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Re: Cyclogest- will my doctor prescribe?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2023, 05:12:31 PM »

Hi shopping queen

I'm a bit late to this thread but I took Cyclogest for about 4 years from approx 2007 - 2011. This was prescribed by the NHS GP (who had a special interest in gynaecology) before utrogestan was generally available or known about - in fact I told her about utrogestan in late 2011!

It is designed for both rectal and vaginal use and comes in 200 mg or 400 mg capsules.

As far as I know there is very limited research on its use in HRT. When I first took it I wrote to the manufacturer - I think it was Ferring at the time but might be mistaken, and they sent me some information but unfortunately I didn't save it and the e-mail is on my old computer.

Therefore I would suggest, unless there has been more research, that the dosage is guesswork, or trial and error based on the equivalent amount of Utrogestan.

I was prescribed 400 mg for 11 days per 28 day cycle. I used to get a regular withdrawal migraine so always timed it for the weekend so I would be able to work...

As with any progestogen used vaginally vs other methods, theoretically less should be needed compared with other methods ( rectal, oral) for protection of the uterus since the first "hit" is the womb, rather than being transported through the bloodstream ( via the upper digestive system in the case of utrogestan, via the rectum in the case of cyclogest).

In terms of systemic absorption - I had a google and found this study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22714063/

Although it was looking at the use of cyclogest in fertility and so the conditions are different, involving embryo transfer - nevertheless systemic levels were compared between vaginal and rectal administration:

"147 patients who underwent intra-cytoplasmic sperm injection cycle were randomized on the day of the embryo transfer (ET) by a computer-generated randomization program to receive 400 mg of Cyclogest either vaginally or rectally twice daily for up to 8 weeks."

"There were no significant differences in serum P concentration 6 days after ET, "(ET - embryo transfer)

When I took it, I used to put one (x 200 mg) up the front and one up the back! I really did not like the rectal route and the effect in the morning....(details would be TMI!).

I would imagine it is not advisable to cut the capsule unless under medical supervision and proper regular monitoring of the uterus lining - perhpas when very low oestrogen doses are used? It depends how the progesterone is distributed through the capsule itself.

Progesterone is a sedative so the tiredness is a necessary evil, because higher doses need to be taken daily in order that sufficient gets to the uterus - it breaks down quickly in the blood.

I hope this helps and all the best with it!

Hurdity x

PS Just to add that Cyclogest is available on NHS but will be off-licence for HRT, so a specialist private  prescription may be needed initially though a  £30 e-mail consultation to Dr Currie asking her specifically about this - might do the trick (cheaper than a private consultant!).




Thank you Hurdity for the detailed reply and link. I did just read your response in the other thread so thank you for both and your time on this, as always. I’m comforted that you were able to do so much time on it before going to utro. The tiredness is an issue, isn’t it? I just wish we had more choice.

I guess this is the problem with going with something not usually prescribed. My Endo referred to the BMS info as being the same as utro, so I’ll get in touch with Dr Currie to see what she says. I’m keen not to take any risks and hoping this will suit me better then the other options. I can but try!

Thanks again Hurdity xx
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