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[Louise2010]

The statement released from BMS includes this quote is as follows and was a bit disappointed to read:

“Regarding the role of testosterone, the current indication is for persistent low sexual desire after other contributory factors have been addressed. There is not enough evidence available to support it being prescribed for improving cognitive function, musculoskeletal health or improving bone density.”

But very pleased to read in the objectives this:

“To facilitate further research into the effects of menopause and HRT on cognition, mood and dementia, and the wider role of androgens such as testosterone in women.”

(Ihaven’t watched the second Davina documentary yet - about to now so I’m wondering if this is touched upon  in detail). Probably need to read the recent thread on Davina documentary thoroughly too.)

I’m looking forward to seeing how quickly this is facilitated and what the evidence will be….

[ATB]

Thanks for this. It is slightly disappointing although not surprising. While I get that there may not be evidence to support its use for prescription for women, there are studies about it declining and about it impacting cognitive function and musculoskeletal health. We know that testosterone is involved with that, that’s not debatable. If there aren’t studies about the decline in women and if prescribing testosterone would help, I do have to wonder what the BMS and the medical research industry in general has been doing, because there are plenty of studies on the impact on men and that’s why they can he prescribed it. So I’m going to read more of my book, Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez today.

[Louise2010]

Yes ATB, it’s not debatable and skirting around the issue isn’t acceptable really when it IS one of our hormones that we see a decline in so asking for it to be replaced isn’t such a big deal. Yet it appears to be when you get the head shake even before you’ve finished the “ I’d like to be prescribed testosterone please…” 
The myth that it’s only useful to men or a “men only” hormone needs to be busted by lots of evidence through scientific research and it needs to be done now not in 5, 10 years time.

I listened to a podcast that was talking about how only up until relatively recently women weren’t even included in medical research studies! And that lack of funding into women’s health generally even today stills lags behind that of men’s. Outrageous really.
Your book sounds great and really relevant, I’m interested in reading that.

[CLKD]

https://epaper.thetimes.co.uk/search?query=.   this doesn't work  - off to do some searching 

Can't find what I'm looking for  - I'm sure that I didn't dream the article 

I'm sure that the article was written by a woman  not Julian Nash as below.



Dr20Julien20nash&newspapers=1148&startDate=2022-2-5&stopDate=2022-2-5&hideSimilar=1&type=2&state=3

[Marchlove]

BMS kicking the bucket down the road yet again! For years probably.
Typical and completely unfair on women yet again.
Studies, we’re the studies!
 Anecdotal evidence is just as good in my book and if all you can end up with is a bit more acne (that’s only because it’s converting to Dht) and a bit more hair in the wrong place, that’s hardly unsafe!
I don’t think Davina’s going to let this go, good on her. We need more celebrities championing our cause coz they haven’t listened to us in all these years. x

[CLKD]

Often it's a case of if "I" didn't make the suggestion ............... 

Similar to children who do well on CBD which prevents epilepsy - which must in the long term, save the NHS £Ms

[Kathleen]

Hello ladies

If more information is required I suggest the BMS gets on the phone to their counterparts in Australia and asks about their testosterone product specifically designed for females ie Androfeme. The Australians must have plenty of data and I'm sure they would be happy to share!

The BMS response is no surprise but this problem isn't going away and they will be forced to confront it sooner or later.  Watch this space.

Take care  everyone.

K.

[ATB]

The first stage of a study is this, actual people doing something and all getting the same result. Correlation doesn’t equal causation, so the next stage is the randomised double blinded blah blah but how come that has not happened? What is the BMS for? Why did Davina need to do a programme. We aren’t the first women to go on testosterone. This has happened in so many areas. There was a small study done on the effect of bladderwrack seaweed on women with endometriosis. The results were overwhelmingly positive for every woman, it is rare to get that and normally you’d see a lot of larger studies following that. This video I watched on it was 10 years later and saying how unusual it was for nobody to design and seek funding for a larger study. It would be easy to do. I remember learning about the Chelsea football womens team starting to use a menstrual cycle app to help trainers design sessions based on their cycle and the coach was saying all the training models and knowledge was based on women being treated as ‘small men’. Designing it around their cycles reduced a specific injury female athletes are prone to I believe in the luteal phase, but I might be wrong. Someone else might know. It’s like we are literally invisible until we scream and shout and then get called crazy. Then some annoying Times writer writes a pointless ‘not all women’ go crazy in meno article straight away as if to just let all the men know, some women aren’t so much trouble guys. So annoying!

[ATB]

Louise, get the book!!! My 75 year old mum took a copy into work and gets all the ladies to read it!! She’s still in a high stress busy full time job at her age and on HRT for 30 years. She went off it temporarily recently cos they kept pestering her to, and she had a pelvic prolapse! Bad urinary issues….

[sheila99]

Much of the testosterone difficulties are due the bureaucracy. There is no product licensed for women in the UK? (why??) so any gp prescribing it is personally responsible is something goes wrong. You can't blame them for not wanting to prescribe themselves. If androfemme could be prescribed on the nhs or if they licensed one of the male for women much of the problem would go away.
 It annoys me too that they will only prescribe for low libido. Why's that? My main priority was to stop muscle weakness.

[Marchlove]

Double blinded, placebo, cross over trials or whatever, never got into the ‘science’ of it all.
Seems to me though that the only people likely to run such expensive trials are the pharmaceutical industry and there is no incentive whatsoever for them to do so. Why would they?

No one seems to give a monkey’s about the women taking part in these scientific trials. Placebo is probably the best group to be in if you haven’t previously been on testosterone as you’ll more or less stay the same. One group will have a period of testosterone therapy and then none at all or you might be lucky to do it the other way round!
I’ve got very very basic knowledge of how all this works so just chatting away to you all. X

[CLKD]

Yet children as young as 4 are being offered hormonal treatment 

[ATB]

I know! With zero evidence!! I read the full BMS statement and it’s infuriating.

“ Most menopause care is ably provided by primary care teams, with access to increasing numbers of specialist services when required “

That’s so not true. I couldn’t see any menopause clinics north of the midlands either. They’re a useless organisation.