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[Postmeno3]

I'm sure I read about this somewhere yesterday and can't for the life of me figure out where. Has anyone else come across this? It sounds very radical and flies in the face of the "sufficient oestrogenisation first" thing, but as women produce so much more testosterone than oestrogen, in my understanding, has someone got a point? 🤔

[Gnatty]

Yes I think someone posted a link about all the benefits of testosterone and quelling a lot of the myths. I seem to recall that it's an option in particular for women who can't take oestrogen for whatever reason. Also that in the past it was used to treat breast cancer. I can't remember which thread the post was on though.

[VictoryV]

I think this might be the thread, there are links to testosterone research:
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61392.0.html

[Marchlove]

Yes it was me who posted the link Postmeno3. I’ve read quite a bit about it on this particular doctors website in the states.
She started out just treating women with breast cancer in this way many years ago but that expanded to treating many women without breast cancer.
Quite a few clinicians in the states now do this for menopause but my understanding is that it’s always with implants so not at all sure if it would work the same way with gel.
I know the head judge on ‘Strictly’ has testosterone implants and must say she looks well on it!

[Postmeno3]

Wow, ladies. Thank you so much. Am really curious about the myths. After all, men have standalone testosterone despite having other hormones circulating. It's really the "benefits" of testosterone I need; primarily energy and stamina leading to improved motivation, concentration, mood etc in terms of a reasonable QOL. I'm zero further forward with those priorities in relation to oestrogen, but there are the tiniest flickers of early days testosterone. This is REALLY INTERESTING stuff. Thank you all! 🙏

[Marchlove]

It is very interesting indeed Postmeno3! As it is our most predominant hormone (three times as abundant as estradiol) throughout our reproductive life it’s little wonder we feel the lack of it post menopause.

It’s not just about libido!!

The best book on the subject is by a doctor called Kathy Maupin called ‘The Female Secret Hormone’

[Postmeno3]

Is there much awareness in the UK, Marchlove? I might put a post on the Newson Community! 👍

[Marchlove]

Practically zero, apart from some of the hysterectomy ladies who used to get testosterone implants on the nhs and have been campaigning to get access since it was withdrawn. It worked wonders for them.
I believe Chelsea and Westminster are able to prescribe them so that might be an option for some.
As I said I’m really not sure if the gel works the same way but you might be able to find out as the campaign ladies have some sort of group I believe.

[Postmeno3]

Yes, I thought this would be the case. I have a bloods review coming up with the NHS specialist any time now and I will mention this to her as it was she who was most emphatic that it was the qualities of testosterone I needed far more! Meanwhile, I have put up a post on the NH Balance app community and will report back if I hear anything. I wonder if those of you with private consultants attending you might run the notion of standalone testosterone past them should an opportunity naturally arise? 🙏

[Gnatty]

I had a Google re Shirley Ballas ( head judge Strictly) re the testosterone implants. I couldn't find anything apart from a news article saying she had had tests done and her testosterone levels were abnormally high. Couldn't find much else about it.

[sheila99]

I had a testosterone implant inserted privately whilst waiting for my appointment with the nhs meno clinic. I can't say I was impressed with it. It took 2 months before I felt any benefit from it then it stopped working in month 5 so from the 6 months it should have lasted I only got 3. I find the Tostran I'm on now much better, it also has the benefit of being able to stop if I need to. They say the implant can't be removed. Also not keen on the scar it left behind.

[Gnatty]

That's really useful to know, thank you.

[Postmeno3]

Ah, Sheila99! Thanks for sharing your own experience. I'm hoping we can find out about whether testosterone gel on its own deals with what certain women need. Seemingly the testosterone sachets are being changed soon for better titration......for men! 🙄

[Postmeno3]

Bump for Hurdity.....🤔

[Justyna1970]

Hello girls xx
I use testosterone only (Androfeme) I love it.
I have been doing this on and off since November.
Prior to November I was on Livial for 18 months, and I also tried estrogel/prometrium ; only for 4 days (I hated it)

So I decided to try testosterone (only) because I read that it changes to estrogen if you don’t have enough in your body, so I thought that I can benefit from both (estrogen and testosterone) without having to take prometrium.

For me it works. It has fixed what I wanted it to; mainly being my constant aches and pains in my body, and constant headaches and feeling like I have the flu.
It gives me ever lasting stamina (I run 8 kms most days and now I do it easier, since using testosterone)
I sleep very very well now ( I used to get up to wee every hour through the night; and now I only get up 3 times through the night but then go straight back to sleep)

It’s not all great, as it has given me symptoms of warm flush (I never flushed before using testosterone)
And a (sometimes) stinging vagina (I never had this symptom prior to using testosterone)

I don’t use it everyday. I use it every second day (MOO less is more xx)
I have dropped weight around my stomach (weight that I gained while on Livial)

I am a sensible woman, so if I start to feel or see a change that I don’t like, then I will stop immediately (like I did with the other HRTs that I tried in the past)

Hope this helps xx
Lots of love
Justyna