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Wrensong

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2021, 09:36:14 AM »

Yes sweettooth, you may well benefit from testosterone, especially if you've had BSO.  Maybe have a look at the links I posted on this thread earlier.  I would ask your doctor if you have signs of deficiency & feel you may want to try it.
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sweettooth

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2021, 10:41:37 AM »

Thank you wrensong, I will have a look at those and ask my GP to do bloods🌺
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Wrensong

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2021, 11:01:23 AM »

You're welcome  :)  Hope it helps if you decide to try it.
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sweettooth

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2021, 11:47:04 AM »

Me too!!❤️
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pepperminty

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2021, 07:44:05 AM »

Hi Wrensong and sweettooth,

The question as to whether you can take testosterone with oral HRT is one that I have never got a definite answer to.  I wonder how many ladies do? And what the risks are ?

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Gnatty

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2021, 08:56:57 AM »

My understanding is that yes you can but you need to make sure your oestrogen intake is adequate first. So I guess that means by symptoms being relieved and blood measurements satisfactory.
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pepperminty

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2021, 05:41:13 PM »

Hi Thanks Gnatty,

I was given it by my meno clinic , but I wasn't sure and the meno specialist was a bit clueless. No one suggested testing and i am pleased I did not take it as Corona Virus started and I suspect I would have never got tested. She seemed very matter of fact and did not even know how to take utro - which was slightly worrying.  :o.  I may try it at some point.

PMXX
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Gnatty

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2021, 08:18:39 PM »

To be honest Peppermint you may not need the blood tests if you feel the oestrogen is sorting out your other symptoms. You could email the resident Meno doctor on this site. I think she charges £35 for an email.
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pepperminty

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2021, 07:17:00 AM »

Hi Gnatty thanks ,

I am functioning at the moment after a few rocky months, still tired and achey but I live with that. I am on a low ish dose of hrt but cannot go higher due to bad side effects. I did email Dr Currie, but she just indicated to try transdermal first as it is better absorbed. As my symptoms may be absorption, ( whch they are not) as oral has to go through the liver before the blood stream .
 I have a consistent level of estrogen in my blood as I measure this annually . I have tried to up my dose and have awful side effects. I can't change at the moment due to work - if i become worse ( which as I am sensitive to even the smallest changes / increases) I will loose my job if I take time off sick.
 So the lesser of 2 evils is stay the same. No professional will give a straight answer as to whether and what the risks are to taking testosterone if you are on oral HRT with a high SHBG , if you are unable to use transdermal. I suspect because they do not know.  It is just more estrogen, estrogen, estrogen , but we do not always get on with high doses.

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Gnatty

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2021, 07:56:42 AM »

So complicated! The energy and aches are symptoms that can be very much improved taking testosterone. Could you take it anyway and see how it goes?
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pepperminty

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2021, 01:04:17 PM »

Hi Gnatty,
 I probably could , but am very wary of doing anything that could make me get other symptoms I do not want.

PMxx
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Ruby

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2021, 03:24:02 PM »

I would say get your testosterone levels checked first and your blood glucose levels (as low blood sugar can produce anxiety and fatigue).  I am post menopausal and started HRT 4 years ago with bioidentical hormones, estradiol and urtrogestan.  Really worked for sleeplessness, depression, bone strength and sex drive.  I went to see Professor Studd's clinic in central London and was prescribed testosterone as well.  Personally I didn't see the point but tried it anyway.  It increased my sex drive further but nothing else so I didn't take it anymore.
Now, four years on I have developed abnormally high testosterone levels and have developed male pattern baldness (temples), my voice has lowered and have mild hirsutism (dark hairs growning under my chin).   Tumours have been excluded but still no wiser as to why.  So just saying, keeping an eye on your testosterone levels is really important.
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Wrensong

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2021, 09:52:25 AM »

Hi Ruby, it is usual to have testosterone levels tested before T replacement is prescribed & again shortly after starting, to ensure levels remain within range & this is something those of us who already use T usually flag up when a member feels they may benefit from adding it to their HRT regimen, so thank you for raising it here.  All the while I'm on replacement I arrange for mine to be routinely tested along with other endocrine bloods so that I can keep an eye on levels.  With no ovaries, my levels are naturally low, so I need & feel the benefit of replacement & as women whose ovaries are still intact may still be producing significant amounts, testing is, as you say very important.

I'm sorry to know you have inexplicably high testosterone levels & the unwanted consequences.  I hope you manage to get to the bottom of it.  :welcomemm:
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Hurdity

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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2021, 07:52:14 AM »

Re the discussion on oral oestrogen and T replacement - I have just answered this on another thread. It is not to do with safety, but because oral oestrogen reduces free T because it binds to Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) so less T is available to be used (according to current thinking). So may not be dangerous but may not work? Basically I am not sure whether sufficent research has been done on this because guess what - there is not enough research into T replacement in women beyond a few studies of the commericial product that was available ( Intrinsa patch) - not sure about T pellets? Hopefully someone more up to date than me may be able to comment!

Sorry if I sound really vague but I haven't read up on anything recently!!

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Erika28

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2021, 01:24:52 PM »

Testosterone Therapy in Women with Gynecological and
Sexual Disorders: A Triumph of Clinical Endocrinology from
1938 to 2008
Abdulmaged M. Traish, MBA, PhD,*† Robert J. Feeley, MA,† and Andre T. Guay, MD‡
*Boston University School of Medicine, Department of Biochemistry, Boston, MA, USA; †Boston University School of
Medicine, Department of Urology, Boston, MA, USA; ‡Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic Northshore, Center for Sexual
Function, Peabody, MA, USA
DOI: 10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.01121.x

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testosterone therapy for women with various gynecological and sexual disorders has been practiced since the late 1930s.

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Approximately 70 years ago, clinicians from various disciplines relied on personal experience and clinical
observations for outcome assessment of testosterone therapy in women. These early reports on testosterone use in
women with sexual medical problems served as a foundation for the development of contemporary approaches and
subsequent testosterone treatment regimens. Testosterone use was reported for sexual dysfunction, abnormal uterine
bleeding, dysmenorrhea, menopausal symptoms, chronic mastitis and lactation, and benign and malignant tumors of
the breast, uterus, and ovaries.

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Health-care professionals engaged in the management of women’s health issues have observed the
benefits of androgen therapy throughout much of the 20th century. Despite this clinical use of testosterone in women
for more than seven decades, contemporary testosterone therapy in women is hotly debated, misunderstood, and
often misrepresented in the medical community.

One of the first studies in the late 1930's:

Endocrinology, Volume 24, Issue 3, 1 March 1939, Pages 347–350, https://doi.org/10.1210/endo-24-3-347

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Mocquot and Moricard (12,) found that administration of testosterone
acetate modified and in general ameliorated the functional disorders follow
ing castration in women, but had no effect on the trophic vaginal disturb
ances; occasionally nervous instability occurred, but frequently a sensation
of euphoria. The amounts they gave were small (5 mg.) and the frequency
about every 7 to 14 days. It is our feeling that their failures were due to
insufficient dosage, the wonder being that they obtained good results at
all. Salmon (13) used testosterone propionate on a castrated woman and
noted relief of menopausal disturbances with a total dose of 400 mg. over a
period of 30 days.

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We are reporting a series of 21 cases of female menopause, both natural
and artificial, treated by the exhibition of male sex hormone, in the form of
testosterone propionate in oil,1 administered by injection intramuscularly.
Since there is a close chemical relationship between the female and male sex
hormones, and because of the finding of both female and male sex hormone
in normal women, we believed it possible to obtain relief from symptoms of
menopause by means of male sex hormone. Animal experimentation has
shown the benefits of administration of male sex hormone to the castrate
female.

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There is a definite place for male sex hormone (testosterone) in the
treatment of female menopause. It is possible to control the symptoms of
menopause by the weekly administration of 30 to 50 mg. of testosterone pro*
pionate.

Some names you might want to look up who made a significant contribution in this field and who extensively studied the effect of testosterone in women:

- Barbara Sherwin
- Udall J Salmon
- Robert B Greenblatt
- Samuel J Glass
- William H Masters
- Alfred A Loeser
- E Schleyer-Saunders

and, of course, John W. Studd.

There are hundreds of studies on the use of testosterone in women dating back to the mid-1930's.
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