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C.C.

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Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:18:08 PM »

So for all you pupper parents, I wanted to ask what is your opinion on a completely raw diet for dogs.
  We have friends that have a 10-year-old Golden and they referred me to their breeder.  Since they've had their dog, the breeder has changed his kennel to a holistic model and put all his dogs and subsequent pups on a raw diet. I found out that he will not sell a pup to a family if they are not committed to giving the raw diet. I contacted him and asked him for more information and he sent me 4 or 5 online articles about how bad the mass-produced kibble is for dogs, how they don't provide all the essential vitamins etc. He works with a veterinary nutritionist who has a bunch of certificates but not a proper university degree.  When I told him I wasn't certain, he sent me a pretty rude message back starting with "I will not work with you".  I offered to do my own research but that didn't matter just because I questioned it.  My daughter is taking Veterinary Technology and she was taught a raw diet is problematic and only for dogs with severe allergies and I told him that, and that our vet would never recommend a raw diet.  That's when the breeder got defensive and shut me down.

So is the raw diet better?
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CLKD

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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 07:25:05 PM »

Ignore this breeder.  Being rude when one believes something works ain't the way to go!  Go elsewhere!

Many Vets are 'against' a raw diet as they are tied into commercial dog food as well as drug companies - so there's a conflict of interests.

There are a lot of additives in commercially based foods 2 pad them out.  The 1st canned meat in the UK was 'pal' in the middle 1960s.  B4 then dogs had been fed extras from the human table, my Aunt cooked extra veg for example with mince.  Weekly they would get a raw egg instead.  Think about what dogs would eat in the wild? 

As tinned dog food became popular companies decided to add other things, i.e. wheat, flour, a little meat ....... reading the ingredients would turn my stomach sometimes, very little actual meat. 

Hounds in the UK are fed dead stock .......... usually on the bone or boiled for hours with kibble.  OH the smell  ;D

Tripe - fed raw or cooked:  :-X YUK but dogs love it.  'butchers tripe' (a UK tinned meat) the company then added carrots, peas etc. to the tins ...... a bit of a gimmick in my opinion though my lady never turned her nose up.

Have a look at the BARF web-site.  Bones and Raw Food.  A friend feeds his 3 whippets on bones, raw meat and raw chicken wings plus mixing up fruits/veg in chicken stock (like we have stock to hand  ::) )with minerals twice a week. He also throws in minced beef once a week mixed with veg. .  He has a separate freezer for storage and is Very Well Organised  ;D

In the wild a dog will not get a 'balanced diet' any more than humans do!  In the wild dogs will scavanage. They eat the paunch first [I think] then tear the meat away.  Depending on how hungry they might be.  This will dig bones into the ground to 'save for later'  ;D.

Cooked chicken bones can cause damage due to splinters.  Raw young chickens wings, carcase and neck bones will keep the teeth clean.  When I was young dog poo was white crumbly chalky deposits, because the dog absorbed all the goodness from the raw diet.

Although my cocker had commercial foods: meat, mixer and Shapes biscuits ......... plus raw veg., particularly carrots. She had to have 2 Shapes biscuits [the recipe goes back to the 1930s] which she ate in the kitchen, plus a carrot which she took upstairs 2 bed. Carrying it like a fag in her gob.  She would sit by DH whilst he was preparing our meals and he would drop cabbage, cauliflower, carrot onto the floor 4 her. 

I would go raw feeding next time, our butchers will prepare dog packs in small amounts for freezing. 
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 07:41:02 PM »

It is a matter of convenience.  Why doesn't your Vet recommend a 'raw' diet?  Is the Surgery tied in?

Why is a raw, natural' diet problematic?  Why do dogs get allergies ?  Westies are particularly prone to skin conditions, a friend put her 2 year old onto a raw diet and it improved the skin, within 6 months the dog had stopped scratching, having shed her old coat and the new fur is wonderfully soft and doesn't smell. 

Allergies are often caused by what is hidden in commercial dog foods, whether canned [wet] or dried 'kibble]-type biscuits.  As with humans, dogs can react to wheat which they would rarely encounter in the wild.  "But they would need a tin opener" 1 bright kid said to me "if they lived in the wild"  ::)  ;D
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2021, 07:41:57 PM »

I think you've to buy special raw food from a raw food specialist,as if YOU freeze it,you don't want to freeze the bacteria too. We found it too difficult with the raw food as we go away a lot (well,used to at least) and transporting frozen meat was a big hassle. You get fabulous kibble now,which is actually raw meat with no cereals etc in it.
It's so confusing these days with all the foods on the market but I'd always go for a high end one as they have 80% meat in them.Good luck
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2021, 07:47:57 PM »

Raw Made Simple - another web site.

Which bacteria are you worried about jaypo?  Not all is bad bacteria ! and my friend has never had problems getting his meats frozen at our butcher.  Big companies may use very quick freezing methods which owners won't have access to. 

I found fresh sweet corn and peas went straight through  ;D undigested (hopefully you aren't eating your afternoon meal)  ::)

What's the kibble made of jaypo?  One has to have a biscuit-type base to bind the meat to hold as a kibble?  Some commercial foods state 'meat' but it's actually rubbish swept off the floor,  ;D : not quite but not always high end meat products.  Hygine in pet food factories is higher than in UK human factories ;-)

I think a dog should be given a wide variety of food stuffs anyway or they can get fussy!  A kibble-type is easier when travelling when access to a freezer isn't possible, I would carry dried 'bakers complete' beef cubes for days out.  Easy to feed as well as throwing for her to find with her nose. 
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 08:01:16 PM »

Bet he cooks his own food which is just as unnatural as dogs eating cooked food. Sorry but anyone who refuses to engage sounds like a zealot who can't answer you genuine concerns. Any domestic animal has a more restricted diet than a wild one so sometimes they don't get all the vits and minerals they need and which should be in quality animal feed (who employ an army of properly trained nutritionists). The raw meat my dog gets hold of if I don't watch her like a hawk - rotting placentas - definitely don't do her any good, it has a nasty effect on her guts.
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 08:03:39 PM »

Oh not another placenta lover  ;D.  The only time I almost lost my breakfast was when mine got hold of a freshly delivered after birth  :-X.  She enjoyed every chewy bit she could gas off, looking sideways at me as I shouted 'let it go!'.  It was too heavy for her to drag away  ;D but OH! then she wanted to give me a kiss  :o  :D

What do you feed yours on sheila?
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jaypo

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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2021, 09:56:23 AM »

It's freeze dried clkd,the raw food I mean but my little poodle mix is so super fussy,in fact to date she hasn't eaten much in 3 days and she's had no treats either,I've tried literally every food there is  ;D well,not quite but close,so if anyone has any ideas? The high quality foods like Sheila says are definitely more scrutinised than human food and aren't floor sweepings and THATS what you're paying for
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2021, 11:10:23 AM »

When my cats wouldn't eat I put their food into the microwave.  It encourages aromas as animals lose their sense of smell as they age.  Also many would eat warm grub in the wild.  Let it cool slightly then feed?  Also, how are the teeth?
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2021, 02:36:35 PM »

Her teeth are good. the microwave is a good idea,will give that a try thanks
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2021, 04:18:36 PM »

Sore under the tongue?  Pets aren't fussy with food usually, often it's because the manufacturer has altered the recipe  >:(.  My cats knew! they could smell the difference  ::)

Also make it fun. For those who use kibble, why not throw the food around garden/lounge - when we went on holiday there was a deeply patterned carpet  :-X and I would throw bakers complete so that she had to work for her supper.  When we went back 12 months later, she went straight under the Welsh dresser to eat the bits left from the year B4   >:(.  It was a student let but supposedly cleaned B4 each visitor.  Yeah.  Right ?  ;D

Oh and the pork bone down the arm of the sofa, her nose honed on that 1 as soon as we walked into the bungalow  :rofl:  Even so we used it 3 years running ...........

Back to raw diet: if 1 wants to used cooked foods, DIY.  There are plenty of recipes out there. 
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2021, 07:05:53 PM »

Haha,you haven't met my dog,she is SUPER fussy,such a diva.Long time ago all my little spaniel would eat was chappie,cheap rubbish but he loved it,do you still get it? I'm sure it was Shetland ponies  ;D
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2021, 07:34:50 PM »

Chappie  :-X  ;D in a long red tin?   It stunk but it had nowt in it other than meat and gravy.  No additives!  Our sheepdog had a gippy gut, it was the 1 thing he could keep inside long enough to gain nourishment!
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2021, 07:39:49 PM »

Is Chappie dog food good for your dog?

Healthy Skin and Coat. Chappie contains everything your dog needs to keep him full of vitality. Chappie contains chicken which is gentle on your dog's sensitive stomach, whilst natural fibres actively contribute to healthy intestinal function. Chappie contains calcium and phosphorus to help support healthy bones.


Interestingly more recent recipes have 4% chicken and a lot more what I would class as rubbish ........... also, many pet foods are made in China .

Raw food is basic dog grub.  Meat.  My sister's whippet catches and eats rabbits in the skin  :o; 2 days later he will throw up the fur  ;D.   
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Re: Raw diet for dogs vs kibble
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2021, 09:26:33 AM »

Awwww what a lovely story whilst I'm eating my breakfast,thanks clkd  ;D ;D
Well little shitzy Mitzi has eaten her supper last night AND her brekky this morning after heating it up slightly,she's on Forthglade food but rest assured,she'll soon get fed up of it warm too,don't ya just luv em  >:(
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