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[Allanajane]

Hi I’m Allana, been on hrt for years but not got it right yet. I’m on now, Everol 25. Had a mirena coil fitted and on testogel. I’m exhausted , I can’t fall asleep at night till abt 4 in the morning. My skin is dry and itchy. My mood is low and I’m gaining weight on tummy. I could go on and on. My consultant upped my Everol hrt patch last March too 50. I bloated up. Got my bloods done November and the estrogen was 1,235 so was advised by dr to reduce patch to 25. My consultant wants me to try 75 but did last year for a month and was wired to the moon and couldn’t move as I was sore with bloating. Can anyone advice me please. I’m struggling on what to try nxt. It’s hard having a family and work and trying to get threw life feeling ok. Thanks in advance. 

[Shannonplussed]

Why would your consultant want you on a patch that high if your estrogen has tested that high?? And you know from experience that’s too much for you.

To play devil’s advocate, could your symptoms be from high estrogen actually? Dry itchy skin is super common in the winter where I live. Hot showers make it worse. Low mood/depression and tummy weight gain are signs of high estrogen. Just something to consider. I’m frustrated with things myself because symptoms of too high are the same as too low for some things. And if you guess wrong, you can chase it too far in the wrong direction.

I’m sorry I don’t have actual advice.

[Allanajane]

Hi and thank you, Shannonplussed. He seams to think I need extra estrogen for my sleep cycle. I slept like a log before it got upped to start with but complained of extreme tiredness. In
March Thts 1 year of not sleeping till abt 4 every morning. I moisturise my skin a lot after shower and bath but u are right. It does dry my skin out. I tend to scratch when I’m sleeping and it’s always my tummy. I scratch so hard it bleeds. I also take an antihistamine every night or I can’t bear the itching. It’s crazy. My skin peels of my feet which is quiet weird as well. Thank you for your repile. I do no wht u mean by chasing it as I search online every night for an answer. I hope  you can find away to help your symptoms. Allana.

[KBallinger]

Have you considered the coil might be making you tired. I don’t know if you’ve had one before. But I was very tired on the coil. Regards to oestrogen if my levels go over 600pmo/l I can’t sleep tired but wired. It’s not easy trying to balance hormones. X

[sheila99]

I would also suspect the coil is the problem. Have you been OK with one before or is this a new combination?

[Allanajane]

Thank you ladies, yes Iv had the coil before and had no problem at all. It’s the only progesterone I can take. I always notice when I cut a 25 patch into 4 and apply one fourth my energy picks up but my moods can be a bit off. I was doing well on the 50 until my boobs got really sore and was exhausted with not sleeping. Thts why I got my bloods done. Iv asked for another blood test as been on 25 for a few months now but drs are telling me no as it’s not accurate and I don’t need one. X

[Shannonplussed]

Again this sounds like your estrogen is too high. If you have more energy on 1/4 of a 25 patch. Moods seem to be a problem high or low (for me for sure). Personally I would rather ride out the moods on a lower dosage without sore boobs and without feeling wired.

Can you try something else for sleep, like magnesium or melatonin?

[Allanajane]

Thank you for your reply shannonplussed. Sorry Iv wrote tht wrong. I mean when I use 25 Everol patch plus I quarter of another 25 patch. Iv had a look online today again with the other comments and I’m thinking of getting coil removed. And starting a fresh after a few weeks. It’s so hard to work out if it’s high or low. I had ordered 5htp which I’m gona try tonight. Iv ask dr for help but don’t want sleeping pills. They don’t prescribe melatonin x

[Shannonplussed]

Melatonin is available over the counter as a supplement, anyone can buy it—at least where I live.

[Shannonplussed]

Could you try the 25 patch cut in quarters and see if using 3/4 would help? It’s just a lot easier to adjust the estrogen than to change the Mirena. Worth trying at least.

[Allanajane]

Thank you for ur reply. Iv decided to get coil out and stop the hrt. Il see how I feel and il take it from there. Maybe start a fresh after a while if possible.

[Allanajane]

Meant to add and the 5 htp is working wonders. Iv slept all night plus not up for the toilet. It’s amazing. Just need to take it earlier and after I take it, it takes abt 1 hrs to drift off. Over the moon with this.