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Author Topic: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.  (Read 1515 times)

Jo girl

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Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« on: February 04, 2020, 09:35:29 AM »

Hi everyone,
I am new here and I really don't know quite how to start. Anyway, here te goes.
I had no idea how bad the menopause would be for me, especially as doctors are clueless, I hve had to practically self diagnose. I started to have panic attacks around my 40s, oh yes, I forgot to say that I am now 56, I was absolutely terrified and I had no idea why, I ended up in bed for almost a week. By the time I reached 51 I became very emotional, tearful and the anxiety, oh my, it's horrendous. I started getting palpitations, I had an ECG on a few occasions and everything was fine, i also had a blood test for thyroid and that was fine. I was fobbed off with amti anxiety tablets, which didn't work and I was put 9n on HRT which didn't work, so now I am just coping. As this has been going on now for about 4 years and haven't had a period for nearly 3 year's, I wasn't told that post menopause symptoms can be quite bad for at least a few more years.
The morning is the worst for utter dispairing anxiety, followed by palpitations, sometimes the anxiety will bring on the palpitations and it would create  the most awful health anxiety which I never experienced before in my life, every twitch sends me in to panic mode. However, no one told me that the menopause symptoms go beyond just hot flushes and now I am terrified over the slightest thing. Please tell me I am not alone, I am a rational person and I know this isn't normal. I am afraid to leave the house in case I get a palpitations or panic attack, it seems that my life is over, please, is any one else going through this or been through it. I just need to know I am not going mad.
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CLKD

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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 09:41:27 AM »

........ and breath.   :tulips2:  Most think that menopause is the stopping of periods and hot flushes but it is much more for some.  Do read 'hints for husbands' which lists the symptoms.

Which HRT did you try?  There are many ........... anti-anxiety medication should have eased symptoms and there are various methods of relaxation therapy to practice.  The body doesn't usually get where it is suddenly so it may take a while for the body to uptake replacement.

Your Life isn't over.  I was housebound in the 1990s and felt as you do.  With correct medication, a loving DH and a good GP I managed to pick up the pieces again.

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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 10:26:52 AM »

Hi Jo girl  :welcomemm:

So sorry to hear you've had such a frightening time of it in menopause, but sadly you are not alone in this.  Have a good look around the forum & you'll find threads on anxiety with advice about coping.  Many of us can relate to the small hours & early morning being the worst time for these feelings, but as you go further into postmenopause the body does stabilise to some extent & many women find things do get better.

As for palpitations, I had episodes of irregular beats lasting an hour or more on & off day & night for several years, starting in perimenopause & continuing well into post-menopause.  I agree, they can be very unnerving, not to say downright frightening & at first I found it hard to believe the heart could be affected by gynae hormone disruption, but it certainly can.  They are fairly common in menopause & there are a number of previous threads on the forum discussing palpitations that might give you some reassurance - you could maybe use the search facility & enter something like palpitations, ectopics, or irregular heartbeats. 

As you know, thyroid conditions can also be a cause, as can anaemia.  I'm not sure how recently your thyroid function was tested, whether that included antibodies & whether anaemia was ruled out, but if you have symptoms suggestive of either I would go back to your GP & ask for further tests.  Likewise if you feel your palpitations need checking out again with cardiac tests, if only for reassurance.  Beta blockers help some women with palps & your GP may feel a trial of these worthwhile if you are willing.

I'm long term hypothyroid & my palps were investigated by ECG, treadmill test, echocardiogram (ultrasound) & 24 hr Holter monitor & found to be harmless ectopics & this is the case for many women.  They finally stopped around 3 years post-meno, shortly after starting systemic HRT, coinciding with a change to thyroid meds.  Subsequent changes in HRT regimen have caused them to return briefly, sometimes with a vengeance (Utogestan is a no-no for me in this respect) so gynae hormone depletion/fluctuations/imbalance seem to be the cause for me, though thyroid disease certainly muddies the picture at menopause.  Changes to my thyroid medication dose up or down usually also cause a return of palps but only for a few weeks & this then settles. 

Several years after my ectopics had started, a gynae who had previously worked in Cardiology told me many women had presented at the clinic with palpitations & after extensive investigation no abnormality could be found - but they were all of menopausal age.  I hope this is a little reassuring - I wished I'd known it years earlier, as they can be a source of considerable anxiety, so I do feel for you.

I wonder whether you want to consider a retrial of HRT now that you are at a different stage of the transition, to see whether this gets rid of the palps & helps you feel better generally.  It need not be long term - sometimes the body just needs a long enough break to recover & HRT can provide the stability that enables this.  Slowly weaning off afterwards is sensible to safeguard against the body plunging back into full on panic mode.

If you haven't tried meditation I can vouch for the efficacy of this in calming the whole body over time & there are many studies showing its wide ranging health benefits.  Controlled breathing during anxiety attacks & to reset the palps can also be helpful, but you may need to do this for a good few minutes at a time - I found around 20 mins was necessary but that's not always practical depending on situation.  It can be a calming exercise when awake & anxious in the early hours, feeling like the only person not asleep - the boredom of repetition may also help you get back to sleep!  As CLKD says, rest & relaxation of all sorts can help - whatever floats your boat - so do try to get as much as you can. 

Oh, should just say that caffeine & alcohol can also cause palpitations.

Whatever you decide to try you're certainly not alone, nor going mad & you will find lots of support, advice & wisdom here.  I do hope you find something that helps you feel better soon.  Keep posting.
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MicheleMaBelle

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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 12:39:45 PM »

Hello JoGirl. Agree with the previous comments. If you're going to have a hard time, what you've written in textbook stuff. Pity not enough doctors know enough about it!
I'd try HRT again if I was you. Might help take the edge off but can be tricky to get on a regime that suits you. Trial and error I'm afraid.
I'd try for a gel/ patch and Utrogestan ( if you have a womb ) first though and see how you get on.
Let us know how you're doing. X
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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 06:34:44 PM »

Hi Jo Girl. I know its unbelievable how this affects some of us and I have to look at this forum every day to remind myself I'm not going mad. I have always had anxiety but not like this. My morning anxiety started February last year. Just for about ten minutes then would go. Now its horrendous and comes and goes all day. Going to appointments is horrendous , simply things make you panic. Its ridiculous but it's your body. I am just disgusted that there is not enough information and help for us women. They have enough signs up in docs about flu bugs etc. Why is there nothing up about menopause and all the symptons. We are 50 per cent of the population. For me the lack of quality sleep is a big issue. Lots of hugs.x
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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 07:57:38 PM »

Oh Sweetheart, I promise you are not going mad. I was in exactly the same place 4 years ago (though I had been soldiering on for 3 years before that). In the end I just broke. The peri menopausal anxiety and depression was simply unbearable anymore. Signed off work. Under the Crisis Team. Seeing a psychiatrist. Suicidal thoughts. Terrified to leave the house. Terrified of the dark. Terrified of being alone. Terrified of answering the phone. I was in such a dark place.

To put this in context, I had previously been a very outgoing, sunny person who loved life and had a very happy marriage and a demanding professional career. My life was blessed. But it all changed when I turned 43. Prior to this I had never suffered with any anxiety or depression apart from (and this should have been a huge clue for me and my doctors) when I had severe post natal depression.

It was hormones. F*cking hormones. Yes, they are absolutely that powerful. If you are severely intolerant to progesterone (as we are) the hormonal fluctuations in menopause can be unbearable. Sadly, few people understand how unbearable it is. But I do. And a few others on here.

I'll cut to the chase now. You can recover and be well again. You just need the right HRT regime. What you need is enough oestrogen to feel good (and that level is very individual) balanced by as little progesterone as possible. I bet your previous HRT failed because there wasn't enough oestrogen in it and there was too much synthetic progesterone. For women like us, synthetic progesterone acts like poison. Simple as that.

Now, hardly any GPs are even aware of this. You need to see a specialist. They will have seen women like you and me many times before. I'm afraid you're probably going to have to go private but it is worth every penny.

I can personally recommend Prof John Studd in London (also definitely read his website www.studd.co.uk). Or I hear excellent reports of The Newsome Clinic in Stratford on Avon. These people will help you, I promise x

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Jo girl

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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2020, 08:25:16 AM »

Hi everyone
I can't tell you how thankful I am for your replies. I was put on certain anxiety/anti depressant tablets despite the fact that I wasn't depressed. He put me on HRT, can't remember the name of it but it was the gel and tablet because I still had my reproductive organs. However, oh my, my legs were in terrible pain so I stopped taking this type of HRT. I later found out he gave me the wrong one. He wasn't supposed to give this kind. Anyway, I was gi en Evorel Conti, it's for women who haven't had a period for 18 months or more, this to causef excruciating pain in my legs. Apparently, my body is resistant to HRT. So, what did he decided to do was recommend 'italk' for mental health issues, I could of punched him, how dare he, so typical of clueless doctors. I decided to find out for myself, I googled everything I could find out and I came across a site called Dr Menopause, she left general practice to concentrate on the menopause. She admitted that during training, graduate, post graduate doctors do not study the menopause, and why, because it is considered a natural transition in a woman's life, there you have it ladies. So it's great that I have found this forum. I live in Hampshire in a small village and I don't know any woman who I can speak to about this, this why I am so happy that I can dialogue with like minded ladies here. Thank you so much for your support. Excuse the typo.
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Re: Overwhelming dreads/palpitations.
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 09:27:36 AM »

Hi Jo girl

Sorry you've had such a hard time, as you may have seen from browsing the forum it's not uncommon at this stage of life. You've been given lots of good advice and 'that's a great starting point. The good news is palpitations are a result of falling oestrogen levels and can be resolved by hrt. It's just a question of finding one which suits you. Keep reading and researching the forum, we?re here for you, wishing you well x
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