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julie55

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Palpations
« on: January 24, 2020, 10:40:27 AM »

Hello I'm not sure I'm doing this right but here goes . I was on elleste duet conti but due to manafacturing probs I can't get it at the moment I have been put on kliofem and I have started to get palpitations again the elleste duet conti stopped them but now there back with vengeance and are extremely scary I've been on the new tablet two months and am told it's the closest thing to elleste duet conti I had a short ECG at docs two weeks ago he said it was ok but I am getting these horrible palpitations I don't want to sound like a hypochondriac but they are every day  lots could it be the change of tablet that is causing this and if I continue with it will it settled things down I'm really worried that my heart going to give up I am 58 Ty
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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2020, 10:52:26 AM »

Hi Julie, just off out the door so no time to answer properly, but just to say could I suggest you put palpitations in the search box while you are waiting for others to reply?  There is loads on here about palpitations & I hope you'll find something helpful.  I'm about your age & have got the T shirt in every colour so I sympathise. :bighug:
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julie55

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2020, 11:29:31 AM »

I've just got to work to but Ty x
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julie55

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2020, 07:13:43 AM »

Can anyone give me some advice pls
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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2020, 10:36:50 AM »

Hi Julie, I have never taken either of the HRT preparations you're querying so can't give you personal experience of changing from one to the other but I see from checking that they both contain oestradiol & norethisterone at equivalent doses.  If there is no other reason you can think of for the resurgence of your palpitations (eg increase in stress, change in how you're taking the tabs, change in any other meds or supplements, change of diet), I wonder whether in your case there's a difference in absorption between the two products.  If so, that doesn't help you. 

Can I ask, do you also have a thyroid condition by any chance? Or symptoms suggestive of one developing?

You probably know more about the situation than I do but I've googled this morning for news of future availability of the Elleste & have drawn a blank.  I think in your situation I'd go back to your GP & see what they advise.  Meanwhile do all you can to minimise stress & maybe try some breathing exercises when your palps are at their worst & if you have time & haven't done so already maybe do a search on here for others' experiences of palpitations?  That might throw some light on it for you.  Sorry I can't help more.
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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2020, 11:04:08 AM »

Julie - another couple of thoughts - I'm sure you know this but caffeine (& alcohol) can cause palpitations.  Please don't shoot the messenger - but something to bear in mind!

The other thing is, that I found flax seeds were bad for my palpitations, just in case you take these.  They can be hormone disruptors with oestrogenic or anti-oestrogenic effects.
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Re: Palpations
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2020, 01:55:00 PM »

How long sine you switched to the kliofem Julie and did it start right after you switched?
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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2020, 05:35:08 PM »

Just another thought - tummy upset recently or persistent speedy transit, meaning tablets might be going through too quickly for proper absorption?  No need to answer that of course!  Just might throw some light on it.  Any chance you could be anaemic?  Can also be a cause of palpitations.
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Re: Palpations
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2020, 09:35:48 AM »

Hi Julie55

Palpitations were my first meno symptom and I ended up on beta blockers which controlled them really well. No-one suspected menopause at the time ( I was 42) and I saw a heart specialist. One thing he advised, which I did, was learn to meditate. I thought it sounded a bit kooky at the time but I didn't want to take betas forever and it worked. I downloaded an audio book with meditations between 10 and 20 mins long.

Palpitations are scary and disruptive, they stop you from doing anything else and force you to wait until they pass before you can continue (awful at work). I used to be woken up by them in the night too, which seemed crazy as I was relaxed then!

The very best thing was that once they had checked my heart out and confirmed there was nothing wrong with the heart itself, it made it much easier to see the palpitations as just a thing that happens, like a hot flush. I have no idea why yours would have returned and can only assume that whilst the hormone composition of your meds is the same, the way it is absorbed or reacts in your body is different. I really feel for you but please try not to worry and let the docs investigate.

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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2020, 10:31:41 AM »

Couldn't agree more Sparkler.  Palpitations can be very frightening & if you have them 24/7 as I did for quite a few years, they take a lot of getting used to.  Night time was the worst for me - like yours, the palps used to wake me & I also wondered how this could be, given medics often relate them to stress & as you say we're relaxed in sleep.   I used to long for a regular heart rhythm to reassert itself, something I'd previously taken for granted, but never will again! 

The persistence of palpitations from start of peri through several years postmenopause was one of the main reasons I finally began HRT.  To my huge relief, the palps more or less stopped within a few weeks, but I'd also had a change of thyroid medication around the same time & both menopause & thyroid probs can be a cause.  With each change of HRT, while I've been trying to find best fit, the palps have returned for a while, with Utrogestan being the worst cuplrit in this respect.  Now 7+ years postmenopause I've recently had another short resurgence after a change of HRT.  I also tend to get palps in response to changes of thyroid meds, whether the dose is adjusted up or down.

Like you, I learned to meditate in peri & did this every day, it does help calm body & mind over time & I came to regard it as an important coping strategy.  Interesting that your cardiologist advised this as it validates its usefulness.  Mine didn't suggest it, I just started it in desperation & later sought out a counsellor who used meditation in his practice.  When the palps were at their worst I'd been admitted to a cardiac ward & had the full range of investigations there & before & after as an outpatient: ECGs, 24hr Holter monitor, echo, treadmill test.  Only "harmless" ectopics were found.  It did help to know this, but I continued to find the condition very unnerving as the palps came in long episodes of an hour or two at a time & no-one was sure of the cause at that time.  It wasn't until 3 years postmenopause that I met a gynae who'd previously worked in Cardiology & she told me many women had presented with palps for whom no abnormality was found  - but they were all menopausal.  It would have been reassuring to know this years before!

I'm glad beta blockers helped you.  I also had them for a while.  They blunted the sensation of the ectopics but unfortunately didn't right the rhythm, but with a thyroid condition, reactions to meds can sometimes be different to those with a healthy thyroid, so I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying them if their doctor recommends them.

Menopause can be a terrible shock to the system & the body can really struggle to adapt, especially if there are other health issues ongoing and/or stressful situations coinciding.  Anything we can do to reduce the load can only help, any form of relaxation that floats our boat & as much rest as we can manage.
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Wrensong

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2020, 11:00:43 AM »

Julie, how are you?  If it helps to tell us any more to see if we can help, please do.  :bighug:
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Re: Palpations
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2020, 04:36:21 PM »

HI. Just to say I had these for the first time during Peri - more vibrations around the heart area but they were scary as I had never had them before.

I am sure they are hormone related as I got them just before my period in the week I call my ' mad week' - as that is when the brain fog/anxiety feelings seem to kick in.

Had ECG/bloods and all fine. Had none for about 8 months then another week of them just after Christmas.

I agree that alcohol or caffeine could be a trigger - I try and steer off both ( Also Coke/Pepsi which is high in caffeine).  Also I am sure anxiety can make you more aware of them at night.

If you are worries I would say go to the GP and go through the round of testing - that will put your mind at rest which should in itself help them. It does seem to be part of Peri/Meno for lots of ladies though.

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2020, 02:12:26 PM »

Hi Julie. I get palpitations too. Mine started about 4 years ago. Doc gave me propranolol which near enough stopped them. Once again peri was never mentioned even tho I was having insomnia as well. At the time I knew barely anything about menopause. I have had to cut down to 1 tablet a day because my blood pressure was too low so I do have them more.x
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Re: Palpations
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2020, 08:09:01 PM »

Hi julie55

Just to say that the two preparations Elleste Duet conti 2 mg and Kliofem have exactly the same active ingredients in them at the same dose so unless you are reacting differently to the fillers so more or less of one of them is getting into your system  and you are extremely sensitivie to changes, - then the palpitations are unlikely to be due to this and perhaps more likely due to another factor mentioned in the thread ( although never say never of course....).

Gosh Baby - that's terrible that the doc did not consider palpitations to be part of menopause and give you beta-blockers when you have low blood pressure. I wouldn't dream of ever taking them for this reason since I sometimes get dizzy anyway when I stand up and my blood pressure is low. Really they should be looking for signs of menopause and other symptomns and prescribing HRT, if you are medically able to have take it...

julie55 hope you get to the bottom of it and are improving?

Hurdity x
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julie55

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Re: Palpations
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2020, 11:24:36 AM »

Ty for your reply I stopped kliofem and the palpitations have decreased the doctor has given me patches evorol conti I have been reading comments about them and am very nervous of putting one on as there higher dose some say cut them in half start slow but I'm so unsure what to do xx
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