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Author Topic: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas  (Read 6342 times)

dahliagirl

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2019, 09:49:48 PM »

Asprin can work very nicely as a skin exfoliant - I use it on my chin to help the hairs.  But once a month is fine, not every few days  :o.  And some people are allergic to asprin
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bear

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2019, 03:37:41 PM »

Asprin can work very nicely as a skin exfoliant - I use it on my chin to help the hairs.  But once a month is fine, not every few days  :o.  And some people are allergic to asprin

Hi dahliagirl,

Absolutely, but why use aspirin off-label when there are many skin products containing salicylic acid for this purpose? Same with vaginal estradiol gel?

BeaR.
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dahliagirl

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2019, 04:51:48 PM »

It's cheap  ;D
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Hurdity

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2019, 05:01:37 PM »


Hi dahliagirl,

Absolutely, but why use aspirin off-label when there are many skin products containing salicylic acid for this purpose? Same with vaginal estradiol gel?

BeaR.

bear I don't know what you mean by "same with vaginal estradiol gel" ???

Hurdity
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Turkish delight

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2019, 05:50:23 PM »

dahliagirl how does it help the hairs though??

Don't leave me hangin like this, I'm stroking my chin(hairs)in integument. ;D

TD
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bear

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2019, 07:02:55 PM »

It's cheap  ;D

I knew you would say that  ;D

BeaR.
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bear

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2019, 07:04:39 PM »

What happened to KiltedCupid's post?  :-\

BeaR.
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bear

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2019, 07:06:28 PM »


Hi dahliagirl,

Absolutely, but why use aspirin off-label when there are many skin products containing salicylic acid for this purpose? Same with vaginal estradiol gel?

BeaR.


bear I don't know what you mean by "same with vaginal estradiol gel" ???

Hurdity

Meant to say transdermal estradiol gel being applied to the vulvovaginal area by the OP.

BeaR.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2019, 07:16:25 PM by BeaR »
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Hurdity

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2019, 08:23:32 PM »


Meant to say transdermal estradiol gel being applied to the vulvovaginal area by the OP.

BeaR.

But there is no vaginal estradiol gel for systemic HRT though, which is what Erika was using it for? That is the whole point of the posts expressing caution :-\ Sorry I still don't understand!

What happened to KiltedCupid's post?  :-\

BeaR.

There is no post here as far as I can see, or if there was I missed it :-\

Hurdity x
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dahliagirl

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2019, 10:06:31 PM »

Don't leave me hangin like this, I'm stroking my chin(hairs)in integument

Sorry, I wasn't making much sense there  ::)

My chin hairs get stuck on the way out and my chin gets sore when I poke them, so sometime I use the asprin as a exfoliator to help them through.  Then I pull the *%%s out  >:D

I need to save my pennies for electrolysis.
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cityrat

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2019, 08:27:07 AM »

FWIW my well-informed gyno (in US) suggested I use the testosterone gel she prescribed this way, and the compounding pharmacy said yes that is one of the ways it can be applied. I rotate with other areas, seems fine.
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Erika28

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2019, 06:28:15 PM »

I am followed by a private doctor in Canada who is a specialist in female hormones, she even wrote a book on the subject. She thinks outside the box, like me. I am very lucky to have her! I will share studies I come across, with her and she will share her own findings with me, based on the 1,000 patients she treats. I very much enjoy our discussions. :)

So far, the gel has worked out fine for me, applied in that area. No complaints, only positives. I understand it's not licensed for use in that area but I also don't worry about the repercussions of my actions as I've studied extensively hormones for several years and read countless studies published in scientific journals worldwide. The evidence in favour of higher estrogen levels increasing the risk of breast cancer (i.e. CAUSING breast cancer) is at best, weak and at worst, lacking. Epidemiological studies only report associations from which no cause and effect may be established. Findings from animal studies cannot be extrapolated to humans. Remember that! There is even evidence suggesting the contrary as the greater the number of pregnancies (when very high levels of estradiol are present) the lower the risk of cancer, over time. Estrogen should, however, be balanced with just enough progesterone to prevent uterine/endometrial cancer as well as bleeding.

I feel and look good. This is what matters most to me. I finally have the energy and will to get out and do things. The desire to engage sexually with a man and the ability to respond sexually. Life is enjoyable again. I can't tell you how much I'm grateful for this.

I will continue, with my doctor, to monitor things closely but like I said, so far, so good! A cream can be compounded by a pharmacy too and be applied to this region. I'm experimenting with this approach as we speak, with the doctor's approval as she sent a prescription to the pharmacy. I will keep you all posted.

Lastly, it's important to realize that pharmaceutical companies put warnings which sometimes aren't supported by any evidence. Their recommendation to not apply the gel to the breasts is actually not even evidence-based and originates from the unverified hypothesis that maybe, estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer. They always err on the side of overcautiousness for financial reasons and I don't blame them.

« Last Edit: December 26, 2019, 06:32:05 PM by Erika28 »
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Wilks

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2019, 07:12:21 PM »

It is no correct to say that pharmaceutical companies do not include warnings that are unsupported by any evidence and they are bound by ethical regulations to promote the safe use of meds.

The available evidence does show that HRT slightly increases the risk of breast cancer, but is a significantly smaller risk factor than obesity and alcohol consumption. I take HRT myself, and it has helped me massively.

HRT may not cause breast cancer per se, but some types of breast cancer are driven by oestrogen and can be treated by blocking the effects of oestrogen.

If a doctor agrees “off label” use of a medication with a patient that's a specific agreement between those 2 individuals. I just disagree with encouraging others to do that without the agreement of their doctor.



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Erika28

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2019, 09:41:58 PM »

The relation between estradiol, progesterone and breast cancer is very complex and we just don't know enough yet to conclude anything. Associations do not permit us to make any assertions one way or another. Two large randomized controlled trials, where one variable is manipulated and all the others are controlled, found estrogen reduced the risk. Cancer cells may contain estrogen receptors but that doesn't mean estrogen caused those cancer cells to grow in the first place. Interestingly enough, since the 1960's, high dose estrogen has proven to be just as effective for advanced breast cancer as antiestrogens but few people know about this. Food for thought...

As far as using it off license, I'm just sharing my experience and not recommending anyone follow the same route. One needs to absolutely discuss this with their doctor before. I agree.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2019, 09:45:01 PM by Erika28 »
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Sgtvhilts

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Re: Estrogel applied to non-conventional areas
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2019, 11:24:42 PM »

Erica, you sound exactly like me.
My view is essentially, if it works, then do it.
I am on a self invented high Oestrogen regime and I feel great.
We are only on this earth once, and I am sure going to enjoy the time that is given to me.
I might be a bit ‘far out', but what do you expect when one of my ‘heros' is Keith Richards LOL
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