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[Kathleen]

Hello ladies

BeaR - there are are at least two vegan supporting people commenting online. Mic the Vegan is one, plus Dr Neal Barnard. I think that one way the liver regulates oestrogen is by sending any excess into the colon where it binds to fibre and is excreted. Problems occur when there is insufficient fibre and oestrogen lingers in the colon and is reabsorbed thereby raising levels.

The main source of consumed hormones is in meat and dairy. We have bred cows that are capable of lactating whilst pregnant, something Mother Nature would never normally allow.

Take care ladies.

K.

[Jari]

This is really interesting. Our organs are amazing. I will look up those names Kathleen.
A book, I have somewhere is called, You are what you eat.. so much truth in this! Not literally obviously. but you know what I mean. X

[bear]

Hello ladies

BeaR - there are are at least two vegan supporting people commenting online. Mic the Vegan is one, plus Dr Neal Barnard. I think that one way the liver regulates oestrogen is by sending any excess into the colon where it binds to fibre and is excreted. Problems occur when there is insufficient fibre and oestrogen lingers in the colon and is reabsorbed thereby raising levels.

The main source of consumed hormones is in meat and dairy. We have bred cows that are capable of lactating whilst pregnant, something Mother Nature would never normally allow.

Take care ladies.

K.

Thank you, Kathleen!

I found Dr. Barnard's YouTube video https://youtu.be/qHYqkglFdPY

Is Mic's comment on Twitter? I don't have an account. Found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFAOdAmGoho

BeaR.

[dahliagirl]

https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/hormone-replacement-therapy-hrt-further-information-on-the-known-increased-risk-of-breast-cancer-with-hrt-and-its-persistence-after-stopping


This is from the MHRA.  Someone has posted a letter from their GP from MHRA on Mumsnet but it is a photo so I cannot reproduce it here.

Does anyone know how this squares up with NICE and BMS, RCOG etc?

[orrla]

..so we will all die of old age anyways...

[CLKD]

Yep.   . Something will carry us off ..........

The issue of deodorants was put into the bin many years ago ;-).  Otherwise they would have been withdrawn from sale ........... no one suggested that because I used anti-perspirants to stop sweating and deodorants to keep my under-arm areas, was the reason that my breast developed cancerous changes.  I note that both are still on the shelves with no apparent warnings about BC  . 

[dahliagirl]

https://www.newsonhealth.co.uk/news/british-menopause-society-uses-freedom-of-information-act-to-question-mhra-practices

I saw this article on twitter, about the MHRA letter sent out to GPs.

[CLKD]

Tnx but what is MHRA  - 

[dahliagirl]

Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulation agency (where is the P?  )

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency

They sent an urgent e-mail to GPs reiterating the smallest amount for the shortest time etc.

[Bobidy]

Have you listened to the recent podcast? Dr Newson discusses some of this with Diane. I think all of this is a bit of a slap in the face for them after all the hard work they do banging the drum for better meno care for both physical and emotional symptoms. They are clearly, and quite rightly in my humble opinion, really cross about all of this.

I'll be interested to hear the outcome of their FOI request.

Seems like this will run and run. Thank god somebody is fighting our corner xx

[Rhiner]

What a great piece written by the BMS to the MHRA, as folks have said GPs will be obeying the new MHRA dictate now!!

I emailed the MHRA re the shortages around the 22nd August, as yet I still wait a reply to the query!!! They replied saying that they had received the letter and would be responded to in 18 days!!!

Rhiner

[CLKD]

Tnx dahliagirl

'dictate' - good choice of word 

[Hurdity]

https://www.newsonhealth.co.uk/news/british-menopause-society-uses-freedom-of-information-act-to-question-mhra-practices

I saw this article on twitter, about the MHRA letter sent out to GPs.

Thanks for this dahliagirl - so glad they have done this. I did find it strange and commented to this effect after Emma posted the link to the IMS response - why this updated "guidance" was produced so quickly.

I have an appt with my GP (gynae specialist) next week so will be interested to hear her take on it or even if she mentions it! Must remember to print out Louise Newson's letter as well as IMS/BMS responses!

If you hear anything further let us know! I follow all sorts of meno stuff on Twitter but there are so many different platforms to check I don't have the time to see them all so thanks for informing us here!!!

Hurdity x

[Bobidy]

Gps will immediately read the flaming mhra but seem to have been completely unable to read the nice guidelines for the last 4 years!

It's a shame that professionally nobody can hint at the elephant in the room about the hrt shortage / the timing of this report.

X

[Ladybt28]

Oh...I'm with you Bobidy - drives me nuts!