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Kathleen

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Dry Eyes Treatment
« on: July 26, 2019, 09:44:00 AM »

Hello ladies

My eyes were a little itchy and dry lately but that seems to have resolved now and  as the weather has been so hot I have also increased my water consumption. Do you ladies think the extra water helped or was it a coincidence?

I know some of you suffer with dry eyes and one of my science sites actually says this condition can be cured by drinking more water but maybe that doesn't apply if the cause is oestrogen deficiency?

It would be great to know if anyone has cured their dry eyes just by drinking more water.

Take care ladies.

K.
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Foxylady

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2019, 05:49:23 PM »

Hi Kathleen, could also be hay fever? Although I've also had it before on HRT and over the winter, def hay fever related for me now though, got prescribed drops four times a day for it. x
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2019, 06:22:26 PM »

I use an eye spray as I am useless with drops.  My optician assured me it's just as good and was originally developed for people with parkinsons.  Shaky hands and drops don't mix.

The spray definitely works for me, and if my eyes get sore when out I have some in my handbag.
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Wrensong

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2019, 06:22:44 PM »

Hi Kathleen, the water will have helped your dry eyes for sure.  One of the things recommended at my recent ophthalmology appointments was to ensure good water intake for dry eyes.  But maybe also have a look at the thread Jaypo started recently, called Re: Flashing Lights - I posted some stuff on there about the condition (including a link to an Ophthalmology article on DES) as surprisingly, it seems it's thought that androgen deficiency is more relevant than oestrogen where dry eyes are concerned.
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Wrensong

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2019, 08:48:22 AM »

Kathleen - forgot to say, other natural measures I was advised about include taking fish oils & using a heat mask (Eye Doctor - from Boots) for 10 mins a day, to encourage correct function of the meibomian glands in the eyelids, which produce lubricating oils.  The fish oil recommendation was to help increase intake of anti-inflammatory omega 3 fats, which I know you'll already be very familiar with through your success in managing UC.  I was already eating oily fish once/twice a week, but Ophthalmologist said this is not enough & I must take at least 500mg fish oils daily & preferably 2g.  Dry eye syndrome can be inflammatory in nature & secondary to other autoimmune conditions, so the idea is to reduce systemic inflammation.  For same reason, I was advised to reduce my consumption of a variety of tree nuts, which I'd been eating daily for their fibre & cardioprotective fats.  As walnuts & almonds are especially promoted as beneficial for heart health I had thought their omega 3:6 ratio was high, so was surprised to find even these 2 nuts are higher in pro-inflammatory omega 6 fats than they are in omega 3.  Sorry if I sound like a scratched record - I know I've already posted about the eye mask elsewhere, the autoimmune nature of DES & probably the fish oils, but thought it worth repeating in case anyone new reads this thread!
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Dierdre

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2019, 10:35:59 AM »

What spray do you use Shadyglade and is it OTC? I've always used the gel drops but they dont seem to be working as well now and make my eyes run.
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groundhog

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2019, 10:38:11 AM »

That's very interesting Wrensong.
I don't have dry eyes but I do have an inflammatory eye condition which they say is  linked to the fistula . I want to try an anti inflammatory diet, do you have any suggestions - you seem to be very knowledgable on this, is it the same basis as the anti arthritis diet ?xx

( sorry for digressing from the original thread ) xx
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Kathleen

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2019, 05:42:23 PM »

Hello again ladies

Thank you all for taking the time to comment.

Foxylady and Shadyglade - I hadn't considered hay fever but it's possible because my mother suffered with this from her mid forties and her eyes itched and her nose ran. I don't recall her taking anything for it to be honest but I assume there were treatments available.

Wrensong -  You make some very interesting points. My diet is whole food, plant based which of course is anti inflammatory however I hadn't realised that walnuts and almonds have more omega 6 than 3 and I eat these nuts every day. Obviously I don't eat fish but I understand that two tablespoons of ground flaxseed every day delivers the same amount of omega 3 as two to three servings of fish per week. I hope that my omega 3 consumption from flaxseeds and other foods compensates for the lack of fish and the omega 6 in walnuts and almonds.

Groundhog -  I'm not sure where Wrensong has learned about antI inflammatory diets but I just did my research online. Basically all plant foods are anti inflammatory and all animal foods are pro inflammatory. To follow a strict anti inflammatory diet you would need to avoid meat, eggs and diary. I've been doing this for years now and it's surprisingly easy and tasty. Certainly since giving up dairy ( I never did eat much meat) my UC has been in remission.  If you want to know more I suggest you Google Dr Michael Greger at NutritionFacts. Org.

Thanks again ladies and wishing you all well.

K.

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Wrensong

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2019, 08:48:06 PM »

Hi Groundhog & Kathleen.  I first looked into anti-inflammatory foods after being diagnosed with gastritis following gastroscopy many years ago, though my autoimmune thyroid condition predisposes to systemic inflammation as well as the development of additional autoimmune conditions.  The first Opthalmologist I saw earlier this year did say in his clinic letter that he thinks my likely Sjogren's is secondary to the Hashimoto's.  Had been warned so many times that having Hashi's meant I'd likely develop other autoimmune conditions as time went by, so this has been a long time coming!  That said, have had the dry eye syndrome for 25+ years, but only recently has any medic shown much interest in it, probably because I'm told the dryness & inflammation are now severe.

I can't add much to what you've already said Kathleen, except perhaps that low gluten diets seem to be increasingly encouraged for reducing all manner of inflammatory conditions - thyroid included.  The excellent Gastroenterology dept I attended for some years advised me to cut out wheat to help me manage my IBS-C, but I've found I need to avoid almost all gluten containing foods for this to really work for me.

Prior to menopause I ate a predominantly veggie diet, but when blood sugar instability became a real problem at that time, I found I needed to ensure I had a good portion of protein at every meal to help spread the gylcaemic load & that I couldn't do it on vegetable protein as this doesn't seem to have the staying power for me.  So I had to go back to eating meat & fish more often, much against my preference.  A nuisance, as animal based protein seems harder to process & aggravates the IBS-C!

I managed to get the gastritis under control by cutting out caffeine & cocoa, drinking only plain water apart from an early morning herbal tea, taking lactase with meals containing milk, reducing citrus fruits, berries & tomatoes, reducing the number of olive-oil based dishes I was eating (have spent lot of time in Greece & love their baked veggie dishes & salads) & eliminating sugar from my diet.  I also learned which foods are high in salicylates.  Probiotics & natural yoghurt in abundance seemed to help keep the gastritis in check as well, but I had a hunch that yoghurt was aggravating the inflammatory eye condition.  So when Sjogren's was suggested as the likely cause, I researched & found articles suggesting a link with lactobacilli & Sjogren's.  So I've reluctantly cut out yoghurt altogether as an experiment & each time I reintroduce it, my eyes do seem to become sorer, more itchy & visibly more inflamed.  Possibly because probiotics can stimulate the immune system & there's some thought that that's not always a good thing for people with autoimmune conditions.

There's also a school of thought that foods either naturally high in, or causing the body to produce histamine, encourage inflammation & fermented foods & drinks tend to be pretty high in histamine.

Unfortunately I can't eat flax seeds (which as you say, Kathleen, are a great vegetarian source of omega 3 fats) because in common with other seeds, these are high in arginine which is thought to encourage flares of the cold sore virus, which plagues me.  Nuts, beans, pulses, cereal foods & cocoa are also high in arginine, so I found it tricky to manage this, given I wanted to eat nuts, beans, pulses & whole grains as part of a high fibre diet, as well as for the cardio-protective properties of the fats in nuts.

Have you noticed anything that seems to aggravate your inflammatory eye problem Groundhog?  It can be really difficult to identify food sensitivities when we all tend to eat such varied diets.  I've been interested in nutrition right back to early 20s, initially to help manage the IBS-C which has been a lifelong challenge!  With conditions that medicine struggles to help, I think desperation often drives us to do all we can for ourselves.
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Foxylady

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2019, 08:26:35 AM »

Interesting wrensong. It can be very complex diet in relation to many different factors. I had researched & was on a low histamine diet for a while as I was initially given a possible MCAS (mast cell activation syndrome) diagnosis & on high dose antihistamine, supplements & other prescribed meds to trial. This was to address all my varied symptoms which turn out to be menopause related (I suspected this 3 years ago which is why I went to GP). A positive 24 hr urine collection showing high histamine sent me down the wrong path (it was due to storage issues between labs, once repeated was normal). So was under Immunology for a while. I'm glad you have found what works for you but it is frustrating & quite limiting when it is things you enjoy you have to sacrifice for better symptom control. Back to topic I was affected by dry/itchy eyes throughout the year, will be interesting to see how they are outwith hayfever season & being on HRT now.
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Wrensong

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2019, 10:02:41 AM »

Foxylady - I also followed a low histamine diet a few years ago (pre-HRT) to see whether it would help my hay fever, reduce flushing & night sweats.  It didn't!  Hay fever was at its worst during the peri years & nearly drove me nuts at night when I was already really sleep deprived due to years of night sweats & chronic pain!  Combination just about finished me off.  I thought HRT had "cured" my hay fever as it was so much better the first year on HRT & non-existent the next, but then last summer when I was off HRT, the hay fever was also barely there.  So can't have been the HRT that helped it.  We live in a very rural area, about as far from the sea as you can get in the UK & in Spring it's a sea of noxious yellow oil-seed rape - the gas it gives off is terribly aggravating for eyes, nose, mouth & ears, as all you hay fever sufferers will know.  I dreaded rape season every year, so have been very relieved my hay fever seems so much better the last 2 years.  Fingers crossed for all you ladies who are also sufferers, that your hay fever will ease as you go (further) into postmenopause. :)
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Kathleen

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Re: Dry Eyes Treatment
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2019, 10:50:29 AM »

Hello again ladies.

Thank you all for the very interesting comments and personal experiences.

Wrensong - I can see why you took an interest in the effects of diet on our health. Like you I was prompted to begin researching the subject when I was diagnosed with an inflammatory illness. Unfortunately doctors have no training on the subject so we have to educate ourselves. It's a pity that you have to stop eating yogurts but I eat soya yoghurts instead and they taste just as good.

Thanks again everyone and take care.

K.
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Foxylady

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2019, 11:44:52 AM »

Yes my hayfever been worse in peri. I had hay fever induced wheeze/asthma as a child (only over the summer months) grew out of it when about 12yrs between then and around 36yrs nothing & then back with avengance, nights def were worse for me (at one point had alarm set for 2am not that it ever went off I was always awake but to make sure I was taking antihistamines 6hrly), since HRT I've not needed to do that take antihistamine twice daily, beconase nasal spray & sodium cromoglicate eye drops (4 times a day) since mid May. My OH always had far worse hayfever than me but it certainly flipped the other way & I'm not entirley sure what sets it off as days he has it bad I dont & vice versa so both aggrevated by different pollens! I'm hopeful it settles auntumn time. We live on the outskirts of a town, farms around us etc.
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Wrensong

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2019, 03:20:59 PM »

Foxylady, I think that as the body's struggling to cope with the hormonal chaos of menopause, resilience to other conditions is reduced.  Especially if we are run down through long term sleep disruption, as most of us are at this time.  Oestrogen is also said to have an effect on the immune system, partially accounting for differences in male & female susceptibility to immune dysfunction.  Like you, I relied on nasal barrier sprays & antihistamines which were not that effective, but stupidly didn't think to try either for around 15 years after my hay fever started in my 30s when living in the middle of a major city.  In fact, because we were living well away from the countryside, I'd never had hay fever in younger years & no-one in my family had, I didn't realise at first that it was in fact hay fever & went down the immunology route to try to find out why mouth & throat in particular were unbearably itchy.  Was thought to be food allergy/intolerance & potentially dangerous, so I wasted a lot of money on food allergy testing & private Immunologist fees! 

How early in the year does yours start Foxylady?  Mine was from Feb through July (but started early in Dec one year!)  So tree pollen at first.  The worst for me, being silver birch, which is very widely grown hereabouts.  A neighbour's birch tree overhangs our back garden to about 8' from our windows & half a dozen more are visible from our garden.  So no access to the garden, no windows open etc, until all the catkins have shrivelled.  Flip side is, it's a beautiful tree the birds love to perch in to get to our feeders.  Also, in leaf, in blocks out neighbour's unsightly shed & gives us good privacy.  Every cloud!

Can I ask, Foxylady & Kathleen whether any HRT you're on includes Testosterone?  Interested to know whether anyone feels their dry eye probs are helped by it.
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Foxylady

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2019, 03:29:45 PM »

Hi Wrensong, my HRT regime doesn't include testosterone. My symptoms this year started around May time if I recall rightly. I'm also hypothyroid (diagnosed about 16yrs ago) so started off at Endocrinology then Immunology under NHS, referred by GP as didnt think my symptoms were menopause related!!!
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