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Silver004

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Vitamin d
« on: June 28, 2019, 08:35:53 PM »

I know that this has been discussed before, but just wanted to add that I've been using sunblock to protect my skin, but this has depleted my vitamin d!!  I'm taking supplements, so hopefully this will help my jitters. 
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2019, 08:46:23 PM »

Vitamin D is very vital. My brother-in-law is an eminent gastroenterologist and insists we all take Vitamin D supplements - we rarely get the daily sunshine that is needed. It's also important to take Magnesium with this.
Do try some Omega 3 as well.
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Silver004

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 09:21:45 PM »

That's very useful information, thank you Dancinggirl. Though my magnesium level is normal, I'll take it, as I think it is depleted if you take vitamin d
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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 09:26:44 PM »

2 years ago I could do 20 mins. weeding then had to sit down for 2 hours.  Completely still, I had no energy.  Blood tests showed low VitD levels, capsules sorted that.  If we are out in the day during the longer days we get enough sunshine however, for some reason I was lacking even though I am out and about - walking, gardening ........

Get those blood tests done.  Go out in the early morning and in the evenings to top up levels, what's nicer than sitting by a river with warm sunshine ;-).  I rarely use sun-screen as I am about year round unless it's very hot and I'm not likely to find shade.  Then I slather  ;D and I wear trousers so I don't need to do legs but: don't forget the feet! which I tend to do.

I wear hats if it's very hot ......... to protect the back of my neck etc.. 
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Foxylady

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 07:59:11 AM »

Lots of research been done on Vitamin D, very interesting as like alot of things can widely impact on your health and not enough accurate information/mixed messages being given. SACN published good info on it, think its 2016. I take it with magnesium now after reading about it, probably from Dancinggirl before on posts (before i joined the forum).
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Jari

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 11:15:11 AM »

A good supplement base going through menopause is a good multi vitamin, omega 3 and vitamin c. The multi should inc, good levels of calcium, magnesium and vit d for bone health. The calcium should be in the form of citrate and the vitamin d as D3. D3 helps to prevent osteoporosis but also heart disease and cancer.
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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 11:55:53 AM »

I wonder about the 'cancer' reference  :-\

I'm keeping out of the harsh sunshine today, walked out for an ice-cream - pudding B4 lunch ;-) - and decided to stay indoors for a while yet.  How U spending your day?
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Jari

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2019, 12:03:24 PM »

An interesting article..

Staying out of the sun too and clearing under stairs cupboard out. :)

Vitamin D may reduce the risk of some cancers

Thursday 8 March 2018

"Dose of sunshine exposure could cut the risk of cancer by a fifth," reports The Daily Telegraph.

Researchers in Japan looked at whether people with higher levels of vitamin D – the so-called "sunshine" vitamin – in their blood were less likely to be diagnosed with cancer.

They found overall cancer risk was 22% lower among those with the highest vitamin D levels, compared with those with the lowest levels.

They also looked at figures for specific cancers, and found a lower risk of liver cancer for people with higher vitamin D.

The study was fairly large, including results from 7,345 people. People had their vitamin D levels measured once, and were followed for an average of 15 years.

Vitamin D is made by the skin when exposed to sunlight, but is also present in oily fish, egg yolks and red meat.

It's widely available as a supplement and is already known to play a role in keeping bones strong. If taken at the recommended dosage, supplements are thought to be very safe.

Some groups of the population are at greater risk of not getting enough vitamin D and are advised to take daily vitamin D supplements.

Find out more about vitamin D and who may benefit from taking a daily vitamin D supplement.

Where did the story come from?

The research was carried out by a team from Japan, from the National Cancer Centre, Shiga University of Medical Science, and Fujirebio Inc, a company that makes tests for vitamin D, along with other medical tests.

It was funded by the National Cancer Center, grants from the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, Practical Research for Innovative Cancer Control, and the Japanese Agency for Medical Research and Development.

It was published in the peer-reviewed British Medical Journal on an open access basis, so it's free to read online.

The coverage in the UK media was reasonable, although the Mail Online cherrypicked the most arresting statistic for its headline: "Increasing levels of vitamin D can cut the risk of liver cancer by up to 50%".

The Mail Online also said that the effect of vitamin D was more evident in men than women. This directly contradicts the research findings, which state there was "no evidence of a significant effect" between the sexes.

What kind of research was this?

This was a case cohort study, in which researchers include all people within a research cohort with the outcome of interest (cancer in this case) and a representative sample of the rest of the cohort to compare them with.

This allows them to focus on the outcome of interest without having to include the data from a very large initial cohort.

Cohort studies can find useful links between factors, such as vitamin D and cancer, but can't prove that one factor directly causes another.

What did the research involve?

Researchers used information from a large Japanese public health study involving 140,420 people.

Adults aged 40 to 59 were invited to take part in 1990 and 1993, and were followed until the end of 2009.

At the start of the study, they filled in questionnaires about their health and lifestyle and gave blood samples, which were later tested for vitamin D levels.

Researchers selected people who'd been diagnosed with cancer during the study and for whom data was available (3,301).

They then randomly selected an additional 4,044 people from the cohort not diagnosed with cancer during the study and for whom data was available.

They divided everyone into 4 quarters, from lowest to highest vitamin D levels.

They looked at how likely people were to have been diagnosed with cancer, compared with those in the group with the lowest vitamin D levels.

Vitamin D levels are higher in the summer and autumn than in spring and winter, so the researchers adjusted people's vitamin D results to account for the time of year they were taken.

They also adjusted their figures to take account of:

age
sex
body mass index (BMI)
leisure time physical activity
smoking
alcohol
family history of cancer
history of diabetes
For the analysis of breast, ovarian and womb cancer, they adjusted figures for:

the age women started their periods
number of children
use of female hormones
menopausal status
age at menopause
What were the basic results?

People with higher levels of vitamin D were less likely to get cancer. Those in the highest group had a 22% lower chance of having been diagnosed with cancer than those in the lowest group (hazard ratio (HR) 0.78, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.67 to 0.91).

When researchers looked at individual cancers, such as gastric, colon and prostate cancer, they found no statistically significant evidence that vitamin D was linked to lower cancer rates.

The one exception was for liver cancer, where they did find a statistically significant difference in risk.

People with the highest vitamin D levels were 55% less likely to be diagnosed with liver cancer than those with the lowest (HR 0.45, 95% CI 0.26 to 0.79).

But there was some uncertainty in this result, as seen by the wide confidence interval.

The researchers found some evidence that breast cancer before the menopause might be affected by vitamin D levels, but the numbers were too small to be sure the results weren't down to chance.

Interestingly, the biggest differences in overall cancer risk were seen between the lowest and second-lowest groups for vitamin D levels.

The highest group didn't show any improvement over the third group. This suggests that, above a certain level, additional vitamin D doesn't reduce cancer risk.

How did the researchers interpret the results?

The researchers say their results "support the hypothesis that vitamin D may confer protection against the risk of cancer".

They say the figures "seem to show a ceiling effect", and more studies are needed to work out the best level of vitamin D for protection against cancer.

Conclusion

The study adds some evidence in favour of the theory that vitamin D may protect against cancer, in addition to its known role in helping the body absorb calcium and keeping bones strong. Previous studies have been inconsistent, with no clear results.

But this study's findings aren't conclusive. It has a number of limitations:

it was carried out in Japan, and vitamin D concentrations vary by ethnicity as well as by region
the results may not be particularly relevant to people outside Japan
the study only measured vitamin D levels once, and they may vary over time
cohort studies can't prove that one factor directly causes another – researchers may not have accounted for all potential confounding factors
Guidelines in the UK suggest that people take vitamin D during the autumn and winter, when it's hard to get enough vitamin D from the sun in the UK, while some people should take them year-round.

Find out more about whether you should take a vitamin D supplement.

Analysis by Bazian
Edited by NHS Website

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2019, 12:07:31 PM »

Tnx.

a company that makes tests for vitamin D, along with other medical tests.  :-\

I had an outdoor Life-style from early childhood.  I developed cancer .........  ::).  I may read the whole link later .
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Jari

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2019, 12:12:53 PM »

It's not really proven and seems to show there is a ceiling level, therefore an excess won't help, but it MAY help to prevent some cancers with the correct amounts.
Very important for absorbing calcium. 🙂
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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2019, 02:13:14 PM »

I have just had a blood test to check my vit D level. Slightly low and advised to take them for rest of my life. This has reminded  me to buy some.
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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2019, 03:22:37 PM »

Do you not get sunshine Katejo?  I had the 1st on prescription, was told that I had to buy the next lot if required.  If symptoms returned I would re-start the capsules as I know what the causation is, I did wonder whether I was developing something sinister  :-\

I believe that those ethnic groups that are covered ought to have advice about their VitD needs. 

We have sat in the shade for 30 mins with a breeze but it's cooler inside  ::)

Tnx Jari - have read the article in full.  Would be interesting to see follow ups if anyone had been bothered particularly across the ethnic groups in the UK. 
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Katejo

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2019, 03:49:49 PM »

Do you not get sunshine Katejo?  I had the 1st on prescription, was told that I had to buy the next lot if required.  If symptoms returned I would re-start the capsules as I know what the causation is, I did wonder whether I was developing something sinister  :-\

I believe that those ethnic groups that are covered ought to have advice about their VitD needs. 

We have sat in the shade for 30 mins with a breeze but it's cooler inside  ::)

Tnx Jari - have read the article in full.  Would be interesting to see follow ups if anyone had been bothered particularly across the ethnic groups in the UK.
No i was told that the ones available OTC were perfectly adequate for my requirements.
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CLKD

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2019, 04:07:22 PM »

But for ever  :-\ .............
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Katejo

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Re: Vitamin d
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2019, 06:23:05 PM »

But for ever  :-\ .............
Are you referring to whether I need continuous Vit D or to the cost of buying  it myself?
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