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louisianna

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Femoston HRT
« on: June 20, 2016, 10:32:43 AM »

Morning,
Thanks for adding me to Menopause Matters.

I wanted to ask any ladies on here, who are clued up about HRT, their thoughts please.

I have been on Femiston 2/10mg for about 2.5 years - started on the 1/10mg and felt a remarkable difference straight away - additionally, the HRT gave me a cycle again - after having intermittent periods for about 8 months and feeling rank - this was a great leap forward and things settled down.  HOWEVER, in the past year, I have been experiencing headaches / migraines A LOT! I have begun to wonder whether the HRT is working (as I had lots of headache problems before I was diagnosed with early meno at 43years old). 

These last couple of months also, I have not really had the monthly bleed.  Literally, a spot of discharge and that was it - But I did get the headaches from hell again - waking up in the mornings at 4am feeling hungover is so not a nice way to start the day. 
I am wondering whether this is all menopause related.  I have been told by two gynae professionals that the Femiston HRT is the better one to be on as the hormones are more gentler.  My own GPs just don't really seem to know much at all, which is so frustrating.

On days that I feel well and headache free (today is one of them) - I feel good, but other days, can feel rank.  Migraines, gut hurts, body aches. 

Thoughts welcome ladies.  Thanks so much.

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Millykin

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2016, 11:03:28 AM »

Hi
Im the same as you, been on Femoston for 2.5 yrs. Started on 1/10 moved to 2/10 but wanted to take lower dose so back to 1/10. I have noticed that once or twice a month i get headache from hell, goes on for 2 or 3 days then away. When i started HRT i got monthly bleed again but its all coming to a halt again, nothing for past few months, some days feel good others just awful. Having issues with stomach past 2 years, Im 45 been peri meno for 3-4 years just no fun. I did try to stop few months ago but hit the sweats within 3 days and started feeling more anxious again. It is the best HRT as it is gentler, i suppose i just want to feel ok every day instead of the ups and downs. I have also noticed i have asthma like symptoms but GP tends to think this is stomach acid related as i had the spirometry test and said that was ok.
Sorry not much info to work on but its always good to hear other are the same :)
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Mary G

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2016, 12:34:44 PM »

louisianna welcome to MM.

I had the same problems when I was on Angeliq which also supposedly contains a gentler form of synthetic progesterone.  Apart from finding it to be completely ineffectual (the dose was too low for a start) I found the synthetic progesterone element built up in my system and gave me silent migraines which consist of visual disturbance for 25 minutes but no ensuing headache.

I also had digestive problems so to cut a very long story short, I changed to the transdermal, bio identical Oestrogel/Utrogestan regime and it is the best thing I have ever done.  Because of my migraines (which are ONLY triggered by synthetic progesterone and high doses of Utrogestan) I cannot use anything else but I am actually glad that I can't because this regime is so much better than anything else I have ever used. 

I would add that I never had migraines before reaching menopause and I didn't have any problems with headaches or PMS and I was always able to take the contraceptive pill pre-menopause which is stuffed full of synthetic progesterone.  I sought the advice of a migraine expert and apparently once my own hormone levels dropped, the synthetic progesterone affected my brain receptors hence the migraines.  Chances are, you have a similar problem.

Freckles used to take Femoston and she has now changed to Oestrogen/Utrogestan and finds it much better.  It might be worth a try.
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louisianna

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2016, 02:57:36 PM »

Hi there,
Thanks for your reply.  How did you get onto the transdermal method which you state as my GP only offered me the Patch - being Femseven, which I did not fancy at all!

I went to a meno specialist and she said she preferred Femiston due to the gentler hormones and also said she would keep on with it! AND that visit was £100!!!! which I cannot keep affording to pay and don't see why I should!! surely the GPs should be clued up on these things!! makes me so annoyed!!
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louisianna

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2016, 03:02:10 PM »

PS  How do I link to Freckles - sorry this is all new to me ?  i'd like to ask her about her experience also.

Thanks
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Mary G

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2016, 03:38:54 PM »

louisianna, I am a patient of Professor Studd and Oestrogen/Utrogestan is his preferred prescription - Freckles is also one of his patients and I am sure she will be around later to talk about Femoston.

You could try asking your doctor for the Oestrogel/Utrogestan regime.  That said, it is important to take it at the right dose and the NHS prescribes more Utrogestan that I could personally take because too much Utrogestan triggers my migraines.  Professor Studd usually prescribes 2-3 pumps of Oestrogel everyday, a small bead of testosterone everyday and 100mg Utrogestan (more effective when used vaginally) for 7 days each month. 

It might also be worth checking your vitamin B12 and magnesium levels because low levels can trigger migraines.
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Freckles

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2016, 05:45:07 PM »

Hi louisianna

I was originally on Femoston 1/10 when I was peri-menopausal after a battle with my then much older GP who insisted the menopause was "natural" and to go on antidepressants. Well, the menopause may be "natural" but the psychological symptoms I had of anxiety, depression and feeling unreal aren't. I felt fine on Femoston for the first year (which was about 5 years ago) but over the past 2-3  years, I had increasing  physical symptoms of thinning hair, very brittle nails, a lovely moustache, eyes like decomposing oysters  and associated and increasing psychological problems such as generalised anxiety, constant low mood, no motivation, etc.
I eventually worked out I was probably low in oestrogen went to my 12 year old patronising female GP who said that at 55 I should be "weaned off" HRT and onto liquid antidepressants.
I'm (personally) not a fan of AD's, plus I figured how would that help my low hormonal levels and the horrible symptoms?
I had my hormones blood tests done on the NHS and my oestrogen levels were lower than most adult men, let alone women!
Long story short, I was totally clueless and confused about HRT, which ones worked, what the right dosage was, etc.  I did loads of research and decided to see Prof Studd privately.

I'm now on the bi-identical Estrogel/Testim/Utrogestan regime like Mary G and have been now for about 9 weeks. I have 3 pumps of Estrogel daily, a pea sized amount of Testim (testerone)  daily and Utrogestan 9progesterone)  100 mg for seven days  every cycle, to get the withdrawal  bleed necessary each month to get rid of the womb lining.
It was worth every single penny of the £300 consultation fee (I'm far from well off)  and I already feel better now than I have for years. In fact within 2 weeks my anxiety levels were a lot lower probably because I had virtually no oestrogen in my body despite being on Femoston for so long

Studd told me that Femoston was useless  for me (either 1/10 or 2/10), as you have 2 weeks of oestrogen only, then  followed by 2 weeks of progesterone only.  It seems to be high levels of progesterone for too long that causes so many problems for women, as well as lack of  continuous daily oestrogen .
This Femoston cycle of treatment seems to be ineffective and from I have read in so many clinical articles, continuous (i.e. applied daily) transdermal oestrogen in gel form (or a patch but the gel seems to be more effective) is the safest and most effective treatment regime, with a much lower level of progesterone  and for less days than the NHS often prescribe.
Go onto Studd's web site and read some of his articles- especially "Ten reasons to be happy about hormone replacement therapy: a guide for patients".
The Femoston regime was useless for me after the first year, plus oral HRT in the form of tablets is less effective and less safe that transdermal HRT. It's "gentler" because it's less effective than HRT gels, but paradoxically it still has horrible side effects especially when you're on the progesterone only part of Femoston (the grey tablets).
I know I sound a bit evangelical about Studd and his regime, but he has really changed my life!

I also found out during the consultation with Studd following a bone scan, that my left hip pain was due to osteopenia (i.e. low bone density and a precursor to getting osteoporosis). When I complained to my 12 year old GP about my hip pain, she told me to find an osteopath in Yellow Pages and to pay for treatment! Without Studd I wouldn't have know about the condition I had.

In my opinion I think many NHS practitioners (including many NHS consultants) stick to outdated and ineffective HRT treatments primarily because they are: a) dirt cheap and b) they aren't that well informed about current research nor actually care about the menopause or c) both. They aren't omnipotent.

Looking back on my experience of Femoston I think my mood swings resulted from the cycle of sequential oestrogen and then progesterone, both at the wrong amounts, the wrong method  (tablets) and for the wrong length of time.

I had lots of Femoston left over when I saw Prof Studd and I instantly started on his regime.  I gave all my house plants regular doses of the oestrogen (the white tablets) and they have really perked up!
Also I get all my HRT as recommended by Studd on the NHS, so it can be prescribed on the NHS.

Sorry for the long post! xx   
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louisianna

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2016, 07:11:31 PM »

 :o omg. That's worrying as I've been on femiston for nearly four years. Since going into the 2/10 I've been getting gut pains on a off for the past two years. I've had an endoscopy and all sorts. The consultant said it was nothing but dyspepsia and Hrt wouldn't be the issue.  I'm sitting here now with gut pain bsck again and Friday and Sunday had migraines. Should have had my monthly bleed this last week but nothing showed up apart from tiny discharge. OMG what's happening. I have not had any other issues though like you did.  Heck.
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Freckles

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 07:50:30 PM »

Femoston is "gentler" because it is less effective than gel HRT and paradoxically gives women more adverse side effects.
I think it's rubbish, it's ineffective, and does more harm than good.
As Mary G said before, stomach pains and migraines are also linked to menopause and the wrong type and wrong amount of HRT. It's about getting the right regime for you
Maybe get your hormone levels checked via a blood test on the NHS first, as your hormone levels may have decreased over the past 4 years despite being on Femoston (as was the case for me)?
And maybe that's why you are getting symptoms of no bleed, migraines, stomach pains, aches, etc?
Then read up on the Oestrogel/Utrogestan regime and go back to your GP with the information and ask that you try that?
If they disagree, I would personally say it's worth every penny of the £300 to see Studd to get properly treated. I'm far from well off but it's the best money I have spent on my health. Wish I'd known about him years ago- it would have saved me a lot of misery.
I look back on how I was on Femoston and how I feel now, and it's like comparing the difference in being really dehydrated - between getting half a cup of rank cold tea to drink, compared to two litres of designer spring water!
I'm sure you can be treated properly - you just need the right HRT at the right dosage. x
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Hurdity

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2016, 05:21:27 PM »

Hi louisianna

A belated :welcomemm: from me too - I've been away.

It does sound as though you may not be absorbing sufficient oestrogen from the Femoston now as you are probably post-menopausal? Whilst this preparation is well tolerated and effective for many - tablet HRT generally can have very variable results for different women as has been said - due to much of it being lost through digestion.

I agree that transdermal (through the skin) patch or gel oestrogen with separate progesterone is the way to go in order to achieve higher oestrogen levels - you are still so young after all. I use an oestrogen patch and micronised progesterone (Utrogestan) on a cycle. If you have a good reason to want to use transdermal oestrogen then your gynae should respect that choice. I have always had a nil-by-mouth approach to HRT and used "bio-identical" hormones - ie the same structure as those produced in our bodies - estradiol and progesterone.  These are available on NHS - that's how I get mine. You sometimes have to be assertive.

Perhaps you could send an e-mail to Dr Currie (cost £25 on home page) asking her about transdermal HRT and gel/patch with progesterone which you can take to your GP? You can argue that you do not wish to take any synthetic progestogens (even though the one in Femoston is very close to our own progesterone, it is still synthetic).

If you have stomach problems then transdermal HRT is preferred anyway.

Have you thought of having a Mirena coil? That way it provides contraception as well as the progestogen part of hRT that is needed to protect the womb?

Hope this helps :)

Hurdity x
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Vanessa1

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 09:19:43 AM »

Hi everyone, I'd just like to say I've been on Femoston Sequi 1/10 for a few months now and I'm doing great;  and just to note you are not taking progesterone on it's own for the second half of the month;  it's both oestrogen and progesterone together.

Sorry you're having problems and I hope you find a regime that suits you soon;  this is my 3rd attempt at HRT and I know it may not work forever and I may need to change again but for the moment I am feeling well.

I just wanted to let you know that there are lots of us 'getting on' with Femoston;  everyone is different and there are lots of different regimes to try before you go and fork out hundreds of pounds to see Prof Studd;  I've also heard a few negative reviews about him too so try to keep a balanced view and don't take every post to heart.

Good luck x
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Mary G

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2016, 11:15:06 AM »

Vanessa1, the rule of thumb with HRT has to be, 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' but the problem is Freckles, and many other women like her, are left to rot on the wrong type/ineffectual HRT for years on end or worse still, no HRT at all.  I'm pleased you are getting on well with Femoston and long may that continue but too many women are being fobbed off with poor treatment by the NHS (myself included) and that is why they are forced to seek the advice of Professor Studd - I certainly didn't have the luxury of choice. 

I'm sure Professor Studd has had plenty of bad reviews, someone of his prominence will always have bad reviews but the fact is, he has far more successes than failures and we have yet to hear of any other menopause specialist with a better or more life changing regime. 

Perhaps other members can come up with names of other NHS/private menopause specialists throughout the UK, it would certainly help women who either can't afford private treatment or can't make the trip to London to see Professor Studd. 
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Vanessa1

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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2016, 11:50:29 AM »

Hi Mary G, totally agree with you!  I just get worried that there are so many vulnerable and fragile women on this forum (myself included) who go into 'panic' mode when reading some posts, particularly when incorrect information is given out, i.e. the last 2 weeks of Femoston are NOT progesterone only ... they are both oestrogen and progesterone combined.

I love this forum, don't get me wrong;  it's just so frustrating sometimes when we're reading info that isn't accurate.
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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2016, 08:58:34 PM »

I have to agree with Vanessa about the Femoston..., you get a combination of oestrogen and progesterone in the last cycle. So effectively you are getting a constant level of oestrogen throughout the month.

I took f1/10 and was happy with it for a while.

I think we have to be really careful about discussing HRT as a lot of us on here, me included, have become petrified of this menopause lark because it feels so out of our control!
And any advice given about HRT is an opinion only. For example, I love the combi patch of evorel sequi when most others like the the oestrogen only. We all have to accept that we are all different when it comes to HRT preferences.
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Re: Femoston HRT
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2019, 08:00:50 AM »

I'm replying to most on this thread although have scanned some of the reads as morning tired /can't be arsed.  Came on to look up my idea that my HRT Femeston is causing the problems or not doing anything , I'm not sure. Long story short it's the second time I've had to re search to self diagnose over Femeston and the third  for HRT in general because even though I try not to self diagnose after a life time of being a self confessed neurotic on antidepressants (I came off last year off my own back and "got a grip of myself"- Not going back in them as the nhs cure-all for everything - yes ,madam you're neurotic, take the pills says every GP).  For 3 weeks was terrified I had bowel cancer only to accidentally find another thread on here all about Femeston causing IBS like symptoms 😡.  If I don't get the regular GPS at the practice they seem more inclined to research why you feel fatigued , in the loo 5 times most mornings and brain deficient enough to neatly set the house alight instead of sagely nodding and saying "hmmmm" while scratching chin.😡   I said this one before -  middle aged woman GP actually told me I should just be happy with 6 miles a day or less as a dedicated runner( complaining of no muscle strength and fatigue), this in an obese Scotland! 
You have to excuse my ranty tone, frustrated and fed up feeling this God awful dragging , and I mean dragging my arse to do anything , gotten worse last 2 weeks. It crossed my mind was on 2nd part of tablet strip (uh, how come last week i was full of energy??) and there had to be something in it.  I searched this med  this morning and this thread came up and you all pointed to Freckles posts and insightful they have been.  So thank you ladies.  Since this is an older thread I hope you're now in a better place mentally and physically.   Again thank you for all doing the job the NHS should be doing😡  Why? Because we are half the workforce , with most of us , still 15 years of working life to fulfil before allowed to sit on our arse yet we are supposed to just carry on as normal "dragging cannonballs " behind us everyday !  Wouldn't it be more cost effective to send everyone of us to a specialist (nhs) menopause clinic with experienced staff in the first place? Get tailored treatment instead of us  in the doctors office once a fortnight ?
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