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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2019, 09:10:44 AM »

Hi Jillm. I have just caught up with your thread and wanted to say that I have had restless legs since my forties when I started the meno journey so for me I know it is definitely not related to using Vagifem as I have only been using it for nearly two years.  I too have trouble swallowing.  Not all the time but quite frequent. Particularly bad at the dentists. It is always hard to swallow when having work done but it is now really bad. Luckily my dentist is very understanding and will let me take a quick rest whilst being treated. I also get it when eating sometimes. I just can't seem to swallow what I am eating and it can be quite alarming.  The ladies on here really do give us our sanity back when we realise we are not alone with any of our weird symptoms so keep on posting and answers will be forthcoming
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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2019, 03:44:47 PM »

Hi Herdwick,
Thanks for your contact. The info on swallowing is very helpfull, this only happens from time to time, but it is very scary, my GP didn't seem particularly worried, but didn't give me any reason for it. Not much help.
Can I ask about your legs, do you mean you also have buzzing in lower legs. GP also didn't have any suggestions on this other than nerve problem & prescribed AD's. Not taken them yet.
My legs also ache from time to time, as I mentioned before these things all seem to be in cycles of approx 4 weeks. Although no period for 2 years, seems my hormones are still fluctuating in a strange ongoing cycle. :-\
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2019, 10:20:45 AM »

Hi Jill

Like others, I have loitered on here for a while just observing other people's experiences, but your post made me want to respond.

This will be a very very long post so please bear with me and get comfy or just go straight to the tips if you get bored.

I want to reassure you that all the symptoms you are experiencing I have also had / have, and I can pretty confidently tell you that they are associated with peri menopause. Here is my story and some tips for you to try to help you cope.

Quick overview of me: age 44; heavy clotty painful periods for 7 years due to fibroids and polyps resulting in anaemia on and off; reflux and swallowing problems for 4 years; 18 months ago started with areas of numbness including face, muscle and joint aches, eye pain and dryness, increased cystic breast pain, dizziness, brain fog and forgetfulness, chest flutters, shortness of breath, difficulty sleeping, weird 'sausage fingers' feeling in hands with stingy raised veins, pins and needles / 'buzzing' and heat in hands and feet, tinnitus, difficulty with cooling down with sweats or getting warm with shivers. 

Obviously I went to my gp (3 female ones) with these symptoms but realised quite quickly that the more frequently you go the less they take you seriously.

Dr Google (bad idea) meant I was convinced I had MS or some other horrible condition. I had a barium swallow to check my gullet, blood tests, and nerve conduction tests which all came back negative. I paid privately for brain, spine and neck MRIs which came back negative. I went to the optician and those tests unsurprisingly came back ok. All of this was extremely reassuring but of course did not help with the symptoms and made me feel like a fruit loop. The gps final response was fibromyalgia and a prescription for amytripoline.... no thank you! 

I'm disgusted about gps lack of peri / menopause knowledge which surely they have a professional obligation to update in order to accurately diagnose and treat. There are 33 million women in the UK. It's inexcusable and terrifying how many of those are misdiagnosed and dished out pain killers and anti depressants or worse. It's medical  negligence. If we can get informed as laymen then so can they as practitioners. They can just read the flipping NICE guidelines as a bear minimum!

Anyway, this is when I decided to take control myself. I started to spot patterns with my symptoms during the menstrual month which made me realise they were either linked to hormone spikes and dips or blood loss with my heavy periods (most likely a mixture of both). So I researched this using reliable UK medical sources (see below). That is when I stumbled across the 34 symptoms of peri menopause and had a lightbulb moment. Oestrogen receptors are all over the body so of course there will be multiple symptoms. The relief was enormous.

I still have many of the symptoms to some degree but I'm now due to have a total laparoscopic and vaginal hysterectomy leaving the ovaries in order to sort out the heavy periods/fibroids. I'm quite terrified but also can't wait to have no more bleeding, anaemia or iron tablets, which I think may be causing some of the symptoms.  I'm also now privately under the annual care of Dr Louise Newson, who diagnosed peri menopause within 10 minutes and prescribed Oestrogel only to begin after my hysterectomy. My gp was quite snippy about all of this this, but I couldn't care less. I fully intend to change surgeries after the hysterectomy.

I know both of these things are big steps and will bring their own challenges but I feel very positive.  I actually feel quite 'lucky' to only have to take the oestogel as I know from this forum that most of the horrid side effects come from progesterone and that transdermally is the safest route. Dr Newson recommended 2-4 pumps of gel which I can vary depending upon my symptoms at that time, to be rubbed on the inner thighs as far away from the breasts as possible.

I think my main concern in the interim before my ovaries pack up completely is too much oestrogen as I think this dominance (during contraceptive pill years) caused the breast cysts, fibroids, chloasma and precancerous cells on my cervix (back in my 30's).  But the pill has much larger doses of hormone than HRT. I'm keen to stop my current symptoms which happen in the oestrogen dips so I think it will just be trial an error with the gel, giving it 3 months to settle down. Obviously due to the hysterectomy I won't know when I'm post menopausal.

Anyway now for top tips that have helped me:

- Get fully informed. Check out websites for the British Menopause Society, Dr Currie (on here) and Dr Newson (Menopause Doctor website). That should be enough as they have a wealth of easy to understand reliable information. Bookmark, print or copy bits into the notes page of your phone so that you can quickly refer back to them - damn that brain fog! Try to avoid American websites as their advice re HRT is based on the much flawed medical studies of yesteryear.

- Have a blood test for anaemia as most women are, particularly if periods are heavy. The symptoms creep up on you and are horrible, but it can be sorted with iron tablets and diet.
 
- If you can afford it consider making an appointment at Dr Louise Newson's private clinic (there are a few specialists there). It's over a couple of hours from me and is expensive at £250 for a 30 min initial appointment but I think it is worth it. Take a list of symptoms (although she will use a Greene Scale questionnaire) and a list of questions. You may want to get hormone blood tests done at your doctors first to avoid that additional cost though they may not be necessary depending on age. You can ask for the printout from your gps receptionist. It's your data and by law you can have access to it.  Dr Newson is very active on raising awareness and educating gps and women on all things menopause and HRT so you will be in safe hands.

- Research HRT options. There is no reason why gps cannot prescribe BODY identical oestrogen (17 beta oestradiol) and progesterone (utrogestan) as they are available on the NHS, rather than the synthetic rubbish which seems to cause most of the side effects / risks. Surely to goodness those should be discontinued by now. Transdermal is also the safest method. If HRT is the route you choose it can be individualised to your needs and medical history risks. There are many short and long term health benefits of taking HRT.

- Be breast aware. I've had some scares in the past and cystic breasts makes it very difficult to examine but generally if lumps move they are okay, static ones aren't. There are some easy self examine guides online. If in doubt get straight to the gp. From 50+ there should be Nhs screening. Personally I think this should be for any age on HRT, particularly progesterone. Diet, exercise, weight, alcohol and smoking are the key self help factors here that you can control.

- Get your feet checked with a podiatrist. I know it sounds odd, but my arches had started to collapse and I was over pronating, which was causing widespread muscle, joint and foot pain (including the buzzing and burning nerve pain). I think that lax muscles was the culprit. This is easily sorted with orthotic inserts which have literally changed my life.  Memory foam Sketchers are also fab for the feet, cheaper at Sports Direct.

- 20 minute magnesium Epsom Salt baths or foot soaks (in a washing up bowl) a couple of nights a week are great for muscles. They can be expensive. I get a bulk box off Amazon for about £20 and they last ages.

- Massage, either self massage, I use Better You Magnesium Sleep mineral lotion. Or treat yourself to a professional full body massage. Swedish massage is a good all rounder. I try to go every 6 weeks if poss. It can be expensive so see if your local college does it, usually  for about £10.

- Consider supplements Vitamin D3 (bones, and interestingly breast cancer I was reading the other day on breastcanceruk), Omega 3 (joints), B complex (nerves and muscles), multivitamin and take with meals to protect your stomach. Boots 3 for 2 or Holland and Barrett penny sale are good quality.

- Cut out alcohol, caffeine, chocolate, spicy food, carbonated drinks, citrus food, tinned tomatoes or anything too acidic ... sorry. Eat little and often, not too late and don't lie down after eating. This will dramatically sort out acid reflux which irritates that swallowing muscle. If needed occasionally take a teaspoon of Gaviscon before bed (don't drink afterwards). It usually does the trick but minimise the diet triggers first.  I took Omeprazole for a while but that comes with its own problems and stops you fully absorbing other vitamins and minerals.

- Consider your medication. NSAIDS will negatively effect your stomach (acid reflux etc) so if you need to then always take with food. Mefenamic acid, Ibruprofen etc are really painful for me. Paracetamol is well tolerated and 1x can usually sort out most aches and pains.

- 30 mins of yoga stretches and breathing morning and night if poss. Nadia Narain DVDs are fantastic for any level and really lovely and relaxing too. The boxset is great value and has something for everyone depending on how you feel that day. Cheaper than classes and after a while you will be able to do the moves watching normal telly. Amazon or eBay.

- Deep breathing exercises for sleep, anxiety, flushes etc. Breathe slowly pushing out your belly then up through your lungs then back down. Putting one hand on your belly and the other on your chest can help. It takes a little practice. Or the 3,4,5 method of breathing in for 3 counts, hold breath for 4 counts and breathe out for 5 counts.

- 5cm memory foam mattress topper is a godsend for comfort in bed. Argos or Silentnight sale.

- Wear layers so you can easily cool down or stay warm. Hot water bottles are cheap and also great for aches and pains. Eat ice cubes or frozen fruit to cool down at home, or try running inside wrists under a cold tap. Drink warm rather than hot drinks. Cut alcohol, caffeine, spicy food. Keep an sos kit of 'mop up' tissues, mini deodorant and a wafting device in your bag.

- Bedside radio low on a sleep timer helps with tinnitus or difficulty sleeping.

- Completely overhaul your diet, common sense tells you what is healthy re fruit and veg etc. I'm just starting with kefir yogurt which is supposed to be good for gut health. It's an acquired taste! But try to keep weight down.

- Drink plenty of water warm or cold and make it your main drink as dehydration can make you feel rubbish, particularly if you are sweating. You can flavour it with lemon, ginger, fruit, mint etc.

- Probably the most important thing is being as active as possible. Walking is perfect weight bearing exercise and is better for the pelvic floor than running. I try and walk everywhere I can and joined a local 'walking for health' group for company. When you feel rubbish or in pain this feels like the last thing you want to do but trust me it will benefit you in so many ways and you can build it up. Plus it is free! You should be doing at least 150 minutes to get you a bit out of breath every week. Keep your circulation pumping and don't sit for long periods of time. It keeps weight down too.

- Speaking of pelvic floor, this is something we all need to be doing. You can download a free app or set an alarm on you phone for 3 times a day. Michelle Kenway has some great You Tube tutorial videos. I'm still quite literally getting to grips with this at the moment.

- Tell friends, husband, family and work if you are struggling. This will make your life easier. Ive noticed that literally nobody talks about it so start the conversation and don't be embarrassed. I've been really lucky with an amazing husband and great (male) boss and work mates. I made the very difficult decision to leave work as I was finding it so difficult and uncomfortable but I'm determined to get back after the hysterectomy and HRT are all sorted.

I hope this doesn't all sound happy clappy. Even if just one thing works for you it will be a bonus.

I know that I'm just at the beginning of this journey and the next phase will be a challenge but I wish you and all the ladies on here the very best for the future. I shall continue to loiter in the background xx.
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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2019, 10:51:47 AM »

Lovely post, Bobidy. Thank you for taking the time to write so comprehensively, something for everyone there!
Good luck in your menopause journey.
JP x
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2019, 12:28:05 PM »

 :thankyou: :foryou: :ola:

Thank you for this. I identified with much of it. I found some of your tips very helpful.

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Jillm

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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2019, 08:27:57 PM »

Hi Bobidy,
Thank you for your very informative post, I sat down with a cuppa and had a good read.
A bit more info about me, I am 56(birthday last Saturday, but going with 21 again), I suppose I am post menopause as I have not had a period for 2 years, symptoms only became a problem in past year and 1/2.
All your suggestions are great, I must check out the insoles as I am sure I have the same problem with feet, could be causing the buzzing legs.
I do take Epsom salts baths and foot soak, along with magnesium body butter, I'll try the better you sleep lotion.
Could have done with it last night, Hardly a wink of sleep, horrible head feelings, hard to describe, not a headache more a pressure or internal tremor of course then anxiety. I am so grateful for all the advice it really does help to calm me down.
I only hope one day this will all pass.
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« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2019, 08:35:23 PM »

What a helpful post, Bobidy. I'm going to read it with care because you've taken so much care writing it down xxx
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2019, 12:57:57 AM »

Absolutely love your post Bobidy.  :clapping:  your comments on Dr's are spot on!  and no I didn't have fibromyalgia either!  :bang:
The list of symptoms are pretty much the whole lot you can get when you have bad peri, and the tips are really really useful.

Hope some of your symptoms or indeed all of them are coming under control it can take more than 3 months, but they can disappear or lessen to the point that they are just a slight irritation - oh and please don't just loiter, post, post, post - we want to hear how it's going!
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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2019, 07:46:50 AM »

Bobidy - feeling very tearful reading your Quick Overview paragraph. I've got almost all those symptoms and I've never quite been able to describe my hand and finger problems and the fizzy calves and sore feet. This morning everything hurts and I feel like it's going to be one of those days  :(
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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2019, 08:17:04 AM »

Good luck with your hysterectomy Bobidy, I hope you don't have to wait too long for it. It will be a relief to put an end to the heavy bleeding. Let us know how you get on.
JP x
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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2019, 06:17:31 PM »

Hello all,
Thank you for your support and replies. I have had a host of blood tests done, and it turns out I am actually really low on Vit D. My doctor to be fair is so lovely, and listens to me when i go. She has never made me feel like i was going mad or wasting her time. She suggested the Vit D and it seems that it's causing a bit of havoc for me!! I have just started taking it and so will report back after 3 months. Keep well everyone and thanks again x
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Bobidy

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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2019, 10:37:43 AM »

Hi all

Thank you for your best wishes, you are very kind.

I have another long post I'm afraid so strap yourself in.

Sorry Jill for hijacking your post. It just shows the multitude of symptoms are pre and post menopause whilst our ovaries and the oestrogen receptors are going bonkers. I have a vague theory about the tremor / anxiety feeling which is obviously just my thoughts. I'm not stressed or anxious at all but do get 'rushes', usually in bed that keep me awake, which of course is when it is more noticeable and seems worse. When the ovaries are starting to conk out our body still desperately tries to get the oestrogen it needs. If it struggles from the ovaries it's going to try from elsewhere in the body. The adrenal glands do also produce some oestrogen. So I wonder if the over stimulation of the adrenals trying to grab some oestrogen is what causes the adrenal rushes (tremors feeling)? If you bear that in mind and think of it as a natural body function you can't control rather than something more personal to you it might help. Therefore then HRT oestrogen should help combat that one maybe? As it is a bit of a 'fight or flight' scenario, in theory you need to burn off some of that excess adrenalin to calm the rush. Obviously you can't go for a brisk walk in the middle of the night but I usually do some basic stretching or a quick self massage in bed or get up for a quick mooch around the house with some deep breathing which seems to work.

My other many top tips for sleep are (I hope they don't come across as patronising):

Don't go to bed hungry but don't eat for 2 hours before bed to ease acid reflux. Have a banana later in the day as the body coverts them to serotonin, the happy and relaxed hormone. Stimulants are a no no, tea, coffee, chocolate, sugary snacks, alcohol... sorry. Have a foot bath or bath close to bed time (Epsom salts optional). Gentle stretches. Try to keep to a regular sleep pattern with no napping during the day. Exercise and fresh air during the day, even if it is just a brisk walk around the block on a bad day. Get your bedroom lovely and comfy so you look forward to bed. Tv, phones and laptops etc have blue light which will stop your brain from switching off, so don't be tempted. Warm up the bed with a warm hot water bottle (keep it if you have any aches and pains to put it on or kick it out). Put the radio on really low with something which will just wash over you like Radio 2, Jazz FM, Classic FM, Magic Chilled etc preferably with a sleep timer so you can relax. iTunes has downloads called Easy Sleep music. Or there is a free app called Relax Melodies which you can customise to suit the sounds you find relaxing and you can set a timer too. Concentrate on your breathing with belly breathing or the 3,4,5 method. Reading always helps me, chic lit rather than anything too taxing. Your library will have loads of choice including quick reads if you find books difficult to get into. Puzzles will also work, crosswords always make me tired. What you are trying to do is wind the brain down and stop it whirring on a million different things. Put a pad and pen in your bedside drawer and if you get any random 'must remember thats' in the night you can get it out of your head onto paper and forget it. Get a spare pillow. For side sleeping pop it between your knees for better alignment or sometimes it's nice behind your back. For front sleeping pop it under your hips. For back sleeping pop it under you knees or under your feet.  When I'm trying to drop off ill sometimes retrace a walk in my head or somewhere I've been on holiday, or minds eye a favourite film etc basically something nice and relaxing that you can focus completely on the familiar detail. If you've got the '3 o'clock in the mornings' and have been lying awake for a bit admit defeat, break the cycle and get up or put the bedside light on read another chapter etc and you should drop off again. I've only had a couple of night sweats thank god but wear cotton nightwear rather than synthetics and cotton sheets. Consider having 2 single quilts for you and your husband of different togs so you can stay cooler and fling off and on to your hearts content. I have a furry blanket too as it feels nice and snugly. 

Lack of sleep is going to effect you negatively in so many ways and really heighten these horrible symptoms. From personal experience pain, concentration, energy, emotions etc are all going to be much worse so it's really important to do everything you can to look forward to bedtime not dread it. Sometimes, but not often now, I can go 2 or 3 nights with really poor sleep but I know now not to get stressed about it as I'll just eventually be so knackered I'll sleep like a log the following night.

With regards to the orthotics, they do take a bit of getting used to at first and will initially feel a bit uncomfortable underfoot. Wear them a little bit longer every day and you will get used to them. It did take me a couple of months. 3/4 ones mean I can benefit from sketchers memory foam insoles too. As they add a bit of extra height to the inside of the shoe lace-ups are best so that you can increase the foot space. Otherwise the top of your foot might rub on the shoe which is not nice. Heals are no longer your friend I'm afraid. Lots of walking will then get your feet and body used to the new correct alignment. I was shocked at how it totally changed my posture back outwards to normal and I did have some initial twinges which is to be expected but they do go. I still get twinges in my calf and hip every now and then but it's virtually nothing compared to how it was pre orthotics. You will find yourself looking at other people's feet to see if they are over pronating too and wanting to tell them about orthotics!

Agatha - please do not feel tearful.  With regards to the weird hand thing I find it worse if I've done anything dexterous for a length of time, hence why I had to give up the desk job. So maybe consider what you do with your hands and break tasks up into shorter periods of time.  I think (and I maybe wrong) it is something to do with blood circulation and nerves. I know that sounds scary but if you do some hand pumps making a fist or gently tickle your hands to change the sensation to a nice one that works for me. If it happens in bed just pump your hands or hold your arms straight up over your head for a couple of minutes. Try to sleep with your arms facing up rather than down to avoid the weird sausage numbness upon waking. My blood pressure is always on the low side, suspect it's due to heavy periods, which may have something to do with it and it seems worse at certain times of the menstrual month. 

I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a thread purely for symptom tips (not queries) that runs continuously and everyone can add to. I'm sure lots of people have great ideas to share but they just get lost in the more social threads. I know personally that I really needed that guidance when everything started with me. Then maybe another thread purely for HRT tips as I'd find that really useful too. Just a thought.

I think my main aim now is to really try and rethink everything with a different more positive slant and feel in some control rather than overwhelmed, and it is working. When I get one of my horrible symptoms or I'm having a 'write-off day' I just thank my lucky stars it isn't MS or dementia etc and I know the next hour, day or week the symptom will pass and I'll feel much better. I'll be damned if the next 40 years of this rubbish is going to define me. I think it's so important to do as much as poss to help myself and it's given me the kick up the backside to really focus on my health as I'm getting a bit older, which is only a good thing. I'm not pinning all my hopes on the hysterectomy and HRT but I'm pretty sure it will improve something which will be a bonus.

Also it's easy to feel miffed with women who seem to sail on through all of this with little or no symptoms and not have to take HRT etc (I don't know anybody going through it), but the research does prove that we will have much better bone, heart and potentially cognitive health long term which is reassuring.  I've found that the more I talk to women about general 'lady problems' (why does nobody talk about them? it should NOT be embarrassing!) virtually all have had problems at some point so I do take cold comfort from that and it makes me feel a lot less 'poor me'.

Anyway thank you again for taking the time to read another ramble xx
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« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2019, 12:22:26 PM »

Bobidy, "you can't go for a brisk walk in the middle of the night" - well when I was at my very worst the nights were very bad - the insomnia and the panic and mind going 90 to the dozen - they call it fight or flight but for the first time in my life I have at least 3 major "flights" in the middle of the night!!  I had an overwhelming urge I couldn't control got out of bed got dressed and started to walk to the airport.  I was going to see my only friend in England so my head said because I would be "safe" there.  It is 20 miles to the airport and it is 3 in the morning!

My husband called the policy twice and they got me and he came and collected me 1 other time along the main road once he realised I was gone!  I would describe myself not to put too finer point on it as pretty psychotic but I just had this overwhelming need to "walk"!!  and it was a current theme for about 3 years!

Nothing on this earth I tried to "relax" worked except for diazepam which would "put me out".
Completely agree that having a body in a high state of anxiety almost permanently should do some damage - it is almost like having a switch you cannot turn off and the midn gets conditioned to living that way.

For the life of me and this isnt just recently I cannot fathom how the medical profession can never put 2+2 together on some of the things that are such simple questions to ask bearing in mind that half the population of the country are women.  Why cant they ask "how old are you" "what are your periods like", have you ever had postnatel depression" when someone presents with chronic anxiety instead of saying "has anything bad happended to you recently to make you feel this way
2! duh!  It has frustratd me for years and years that the NHS takes the "pin the tail on the donkey" approach - if they cant stick a label on it in 2 go's then you are "not suitable for their speciality" and they palm you on to another who takes the same approach - they dont even hazard a guess which person might be the right person.

I sort of see-sawed between "poor me" do something about it, then went to "so what, it is what it is, I have to try and stay alive" cos no one's listening.  But it is nearly fixed now and it was so flaming simple that now I am just plain angry!

I tried everything you suggest and more because I spent years looking for solutions to all those symptoms an my contribution to a tips page could be lengthy  :) but it was only a mild help. I just worry now I know all this stuff that the underlying physiology of very very bad meno needs put on the road to recovery before you can help yourself with the "wellness, self-kindness" things we should all be doing anyway.  I dont mean this to come across as negative because it works for some, its just I know I felt more frustration that all the things I was doing that were supposed to help didnt.  its a bit of a double edged sword Bobidy!






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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2019, 02:43:06 PM »

You mentioned footwear,can I just say,after a rather unsuccessful foot operation, I find fit flops brilliant and was recommended them by a foot physio,I've not misspelt it(unusually for me) they're a bit more expensive but if you're bothered with getting comfy shoes or have foot problems,you really should give them a go FITFLOPS
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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2019, 03:52:02 PM »

Many GPs will not comply with NICE guidelines.  I have heard it said on here several times that they are told "NICE Guidelines are that.  Guidelines."  There is no legal requirement for GPs to adhere to them.  Would be nice but there it is.  Some simply won't be told, nor do they like patients doing research and going in 'armed'. They feel demeaned!

I too have wanted to 'walk away' from my feelings  :'( but they have a tendency to follow me  >:(.  A friend when we had regular periods would get a lot of energy and clean house top to bottom, when the bleed started she was worn out!  Until the next month  ::)

I had restless legs for years - bananas solved the problem.  I am aware of the sensations in the day but as soon as I get into bed they would 'drag'.  Lack of potassium is my problem.  I would lay with legs up the wall to ease sensations  :-\Nurofen also helps.

Hi Bobidy  :welcomemm:
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