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Noheroicsplease

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If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« on: September 06, 2018, 06:07:05 PM »

While I don't actually think my mirena is causing my hair shedding, I could be wrong.

If you shed hair on the mirena, how did it happen and when? Was it gradual from the outset? Was it on particular spots on your head - i.e. temples?

My hair shedding is all over - I suspect it's because of a sharp decline in oestrogen (54pml!!). I've had the mirena in for 19 months.

Thanks very much

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SueLW

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 08:36:04 PM »


I've just had bloods done privately for thyroid incl t3 t4 and it's showing normal levels and b12 showed normal levels ,so by process of elimination, it can only be low oestrogen.
We don't have get kept busy with all this palaver don't we lol.anyway I agree it's probably low oestrogen as you think.😘Jeanie

Hi Daisydot

Your free T4 and free T3 both need to be in the upper part of the reference ranges for you to be optimal where thyroid is concerned.  Did your results fall into that upper part?  If not, then thyroid could be low.  In the UK doctors currently don't diagnose hypothyroidism unless the TSH is over 10!  Over 10 most people are bed ridden.  It's awful.  I've been there.  But the labs flag a TSH over 4.5 and in just about every other bloomin country you would be classed as hypo with a TSH over 3.  So never believe a doctor who says your thyroid is "fine".  Get the results and the reference ranges and work on from there.

For thyroid hormone to work well B12 should be over 500, Ferritin 70-80, folate good and vitamin D over 100. 

Hair loss occurs with ferritin below 70.  I suffered a lot with hair loss due to low ferritin in my 30's. 
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SueLW

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 09:51:05 PM »


B12 349 ref range 197-771
Serum folate 8.0 ref range >3.0

Thyroid Function Tests
IgA 1.97 ref range 0.70-4.00
Free T4 15.4 ref range 11.0-26.0
Free T3 4.7 ref range 3.9-6.8
TSH 2.21 ref range 3.9-6.8
I contacted Nuffield and said why hadn't they put an advisory on the notes of results and they said they didn't do this as routine but my levels were all within range anyway.
Your opinion would be welcome as I'm chasing my tail here trying to get info.
Thank you 😘

Hi.
I don't understand the reference range for TSH.  That is a weird one.  It makes no sense alongside those results for the T4 and T3 either (to me). 

Your t4 and t3 are not even halfway in range.  They are definitely not optimal.  How do you feel apart from the hair issue?

If I were you I would go to my GP and ask for a full iron panel to be carried out for you with a test for Vitamin D.  Your B12 is low, your folate isn't great so I suspect your ferritin is going to be low and could be the reason (with the B12) that your thyroid hormones are low and your hair is falling out.  In January, due to some bad treatment, I had to switch back to thyroxine fast and drop my dose to the starter dose and I lost so much hair I thought I would go bald.  Low thyroid can certainly do that to you.  But so can that ferritin if it's out of whack.  If the GP grumbles about your request, tell him you feel unnaturally tired all the time and are loosing hair fast and need to make sure you are not low on iron or Vitamin D.  He should do it for you then.

Nuffield are expensive for thyroid blood tests.  In future you would do better to use Blue Horizon or Medichecks.  Go to the Thyroid UK web site, they have the test names and links there.  They will be cheaper and give a better picture.

You are in the beginning part of the elimination stage.  Check, eliminate or supplement to bring things up.  B12 needs to come up more.  Were you supplementing any B12 before that test?
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Annie0710

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 06:35:39 AM »

Our b12 range is 211-911 and my b12 in 2012 was 197 and they refused to treat me x
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Noheroicsplease

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 07:46:58 AM »

About 3 years ago, my Ferritin level was 6 - the range was 7-150 (or something similar). My doctor refused to treat me. Was such an arrogant dick. Said it was fine. I paid to go to a dermatologist who specialised in hair loss and he was so angry with this - said I was practically malnourished. Wrote a very angry letter to my GP, got me sorted on the right iron tablets, and the hair loss stopped.

(As an aside, that doctor's surgery was closed down by the CQC a few months later. My doctor ran the show...)
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SueLW

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 09:54:02 AM »

Careful Daisydot, the one thing you do need to test before supplementing is iron.  Too much iron is as bad, if not worse, than too little.

I would definitely get that one checked first.  Then, if low, use a combination of supplement and iron rich foods.  Iron tablets do nothing for me, never seem to have been able to do anything for me.  So I have to eat my iron up.  I use pate and black pudding because I can't cope with the texture of liver. 

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SueLW

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »

Hi sue I've just looked back at previous blood test results gp did and everything they said was normal except my d level was 39.9 which they gave me high dose supplement for and my cholesterol was too high at 7 which he tried to give me statins for even though id been on them years previously and reacted badly to them and had to be taken off again.
I've not supplemented b12 as that's the first time I've been tested
My TSH levels then were 1.49 range was 0.38-5.33
These were all tested in April this year full blood works at gps.
The reason I used nuffield was because that's where my consultant is based.
Thanks sue it's all a bit bewildering to me combined with the hrt issues it's really overwhelming.

It is bewildering at first, when combined with HRT issues.  That's where I am too, but I'm no longer bewildered.  Your thyroid TSH (which isn't a thyroid number at all really, it's a pituitary hormone) isn't too bad, but that doesn't mean a lot really.  It's your free T3 that's the most important and at the moment that is showing too low.  But your lower T4 (storage hormone) and T3 (active hormone) could be down to the low levels of nutrients you are showing.  B12, iron, vitamin D and sex hormones are all needed to help the body produce more T4 and convert it into the active T3. 

If your doctor gave you a high strength Vitamin D tablet, it won't actually be high strength.  You need vitamin D3, with important co-factors of K2 and you need lots of it.  A maintenance dose for many people is 2000 IU a day.  To boost low levels you need 4000, or 5000 a day.  You need the K2 with it to ensure the Vitamin D does what you need and pushes the calcium into your bones out of your blood vessels.  You should load up on this vitamin over winter, but I keep supplementing it all year round now.  I can't sit in the sun like I used to do.  You can get an easy, cheap finger **** test for vitamin D to keep your eye on levels every 6 months and adjust dosage accordingly.

Avoid Holland & Barratt or Boots supplements.  They are not good enough quality, only the cheapest hard to absorb ingredients.  You need the best you can find to raise levels.  The BetterYou D3 spray with K2 is a good one to use because it avoids any potential digestive issues slowing absorption.  But the daily dose on the bottle is 3 sprays, you would need to use 5 to get the levels up, or you could use a bottle of high strength tablets first and then switch to the spray. 

I also use their BetterYou B12 spray, but you could do with starting with something like this one, get a couple of bottles of this into you and then you could switch to a lower dose.  You want the methylcobalamin B12, not the other types which are harder to absorb.  Once you start supplementing with B12 blood tests are irrelevant.  It takes something like 5 or 6 months without supplements before you get an accurate reading.  So as we all need B12, just keep going.

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As I said in my other reply, it is actually vital to test full iron panel before supplementing.  And you need to keep your eye on it to avoid going too high.  But ferritin is the most vital of those readings for hair and T4 to T3 conversion. 

If you do start taking an iron supplement, take 1000mg of food grade vitamin C with it each day.  The vitamin C helps the iron to be absorbed. 

If you could raise your levels of these things you may well see a return to full thyroid function without the need for medication, which is the aim.  Ignore cholesterol.  GP's are fixated on it, as they are on fat.  Pity they aren't fixated on how to treat a thyroid patient optimally or how to give proper HRT help.  But no, we mostly have to do both ourselves.

I hope some of this helps.  When I felt despair at the start of my journey I wrote lists.  Lists of the tests I needed and ticked them off as I collected the results.  Then a list of the supplements I needed, the brands I wanted and the dose strengths.  Then a list of how many of what to take each day and when.  For example you never take iron with any other supplement other than Vitamin C.  You should leave a 4 hour gap either side or the iron will bind to the other supplements and make them useless.  This is why a multi-vitamin and mineral tablet with iron is useless.  Might as well pour that money down the drain.  The iron negates everything else.  Those lists of mine have helped enormously.  Now it's second nature.  I feel odd this week because I'm retesting my thyroid bloods on Monday and the test I use will also check my iron and vitamin D levels so I'm off all supplements for a week first to get a good reading.  The routines are all out!

I also use a lot of magnesium.  We all need that and most people are short of it.  I take it as a tablet at night to help me sleep and I use the BetterYou skin spray and body lotion. 

I hope some of this helps you to sort things out a bit.  On the plus side, my own hair is definitely thickening up again now.  I have leg hair again (not a huge amount but enough to need to shave them occasionally).  I have tiny hairs starting to regrow on my arms and my eyebrows are starting to lengthen again.  Something I'm doing is definitely helping.
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SueLW

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 05:53:17 PM »

You are welcome Daisydot. 

Great that you have already gone to BetterYou for supplements.  They do 2 vitamin D sprays.  One just the D3 and the other has D3 and K2 in it.  I use the latter so I don't have to remember another tablet.

I was wrong, your doctor did give you high strength vitamin D.  That's a miracle. 

I dread to think what I've spent over the last 6 years of trying to get well, but I am feeling better in myself a lot more now.  Just have loss of muscle power and energy to deal with.  I'm a work in progress.  But what options did I have?  I either found the money by cutting other things back, or I stood no hope of getting well at all.  It was a no-brainer for me and my husband.

It gets easier as you start to see some results come trickling in.
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DebsMK

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Re: If you had hair loss because of the mirena, how did it happen...
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 02:16:31 PM »

I had a similar B12 reading to you after a full blood test for hair loss.  It wasn't bad enough for the NHS to treat it but on research I found it would be been treated in other countries!  I read about methylcobalamin being the best form of B12 and purchased some that dissolves under the tongue from Holland and Barrett.  I also started taking Vitabiotics Perfectil Plus for hair, biotin, fish oil and vitamin D3.  After 6 months my hair is growing back and getting thicker.  Added bonus is that the heart palpitations I were experiencing and thought were due to HRT have vanished.
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