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Author Topic: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia  (Read 9866 times)

AndieKC

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2018, 03:44:07 PM »

Hi Daisydot
Just found out that nearest appointment with Dr parsons at Nuffield Coventry is end of August and it's £195... if I could get that long without HRT then I wouldn't need it at all. May I ask is there a reason/ did you have a negative experience with Nuffield GP services? I have booked an appointment for next Tuesday in case Monday appointment with nhs GP fails. I can cancel without charge if I don't need it, is a complete waste?
Andie xx
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Daisydot

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2018, 05:05:45 PM »

Hi AndieKC wow I must stop recommending him he's getting too popular lol.
The only reason I wouldn't go to Nuffield gp is you need a meno specialist not a gp and he/she would most likely not over rule your gp and gynies advice it's a very tricky situation I would think best case scenario is she'd refer you,well I'd hope that's what she'd do as their ethics are bound to come into it.
She will not have the expertise that a meno consultant would have.
I would instead book Mr Parsons or similar,your choice,for next available appointment because if your gp doesent play ball on Monday you're nowhere anyway and if she does then you can cancel with meno consultant,it's up to you but that would be my advice.good luck with your descision xx
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AndieKC

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2018, 09:29:23 PM »

Hi Daisydot
You're absolutely right, that's going to be my only choice if Monday doesn't work out.
Thank you so much xx
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Daisydot

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2018, 06:46:37 AM »

Hi AndieKC try and get oestrogel on Monday to use with the mirena as apparently this is a good combination and if no luck with gp there are online pharmacies in London that you can use and pay for it.usyal procedure is you'll have a consultation with a gp online then he'll say yes or no he can prescribe hrt,you being on hrt already shouldn't be an issue but you have to jump through their hoops,it's around £30 for the consultation and £30 for the oestrogel if I remember right and I think you can buy 3 cans for £69 they're pretty quick with delivery normally next day.Its just an option for you if you've no success on Monday but fingers crossed.xx
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AndieKC

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2018, 08:19:55 AM »

Hi Daisydot
Thank you for the recommendation, may I have the name of the London online pharmacy you mentioned?
Thank you so much xx
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Daisydot

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2018, 12:26:53 PM »

I've given you it under your other post on forum guide andie check it out.x
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Hurdity

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2018, 07:35:07 PM »

Hi AndieKC

Not sure if I've answered any of your posts but agree with the others that you should not have to go privately or buy oestrogen online due to the error by your hospital consultant.

So pleased also that Dr C has been supportive and if you don't mind please could you let us know how you went about Dr C intervening and writing to your GP and consultant? I presume you paid for your original question - and then what? Did you pay for further questions and did you ask Dr C to write to the medics and did you have to pay further for this? I ask because this process may be very helpful to other women, as I understood the e-mailed advice was just that - albeit a fantastic way of getting a specialist consultation/advice for almost no cost, which should be sufficient for most GPs!

Glad to hear you have read up on it and printed the info for your GP - the very best of luck ( and determination) at your appointment tomorrow. You sounds like a woman who is able to stand her ground and you will need to do that tomorrow. If there is no other medical reason why you should not have oestrogen - and you are suffering from menpausal symptoms, then it is your right. As you have discovered simple endometrial hyperplasia without atypia is not a contra-indication for oestrogen!

All the best :)

Hurdity x
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AndieKC

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 10:46:39 PM »

Hi Hurdity
I have great news to share, the Gp finally prescribed me Continuous Combined hrt - Kliovance plus Noriday as recommended by Dr C. This is because Kliovance has the same types of hormones as Elleste Duet which I thrives on, but because Kliovance has a lower progestin than Elleste, and I have simple hyperplasia, noriday adds additional progestin of the same type, to stop the endometrium thickening further. This is progestin therapy until I have the Mirena fitted- appointment in August , and I'll go on estrogen patches then.

As for Dr C, yes, I did email her originally through the website after paying the fee a couple of types. I owe Dr C a huge thanks for her involvement. I dont know if this was an exception but I am extremely grateful - perhaps Dr C felt equally frustrated with the mistaken beliefs on which the consultant's recommendations were based, and the other consultant's statement that “in this country we do not prescribe continuous combined hrt” was so incredibly wrong that perhaps Dr Currie felt it needed addressing.

I also spent the last three months or so researching everything about menopause and hrt - literally, it's been like doing a masters degree in hrt! A week ago I went to the Gp with 4 research papers printed out, and today I had another 4 for her to support my case - everything from Royal Colege of ObGyn to trials on HRT, endometrial hyperplasia etc. I have even had a book written by Dr Currie, read it, underlined all passages relevant to my case and left if all with the GP.

To sum it up, because I was nearly 2 years post menopause when I started on Elleste Duet, they could/should have really put me on Continuous Hrt. But because I was only 46, the original doc thought sequential HRT was okay. However, when the bleeding didn't fall into a regular pattern after the initial 6 months, the signs were that more progestin was needed, and I started my research and started realising that continuous combined hrt was needed. So I started asking for it, but it was as if I was asking to be prescribes a banned substance! 

As the combination of erratic bleeds and hyperplasia is taken very seriously, the doc sent me for ultrasound which showed 6mm endometrium but it was measured at the wrong time anyway, towards the end of the oestrogen only pills. It should be measured after the monthly bleed when the lining has been shed but never mind. I was sent for biopsy which showed simple hyperplasia without atypia. That's when the whole circus started, with the consultant recommending stopping hrt, only have Mirena, no estrogen and the GP wouldn't go against.

The initial two emails from Dr C that I printed out and took to Gp didn't get me the prescription but at least the GP started making calls to the hospital consultant etc. Then Dr C wrote a strongly worded letter - both to the hospital consultant and the GP, and I received a copy this morning - what a read that is! And that finally got the Gp to prescribe the continuous combined with extra progestin for now, and reassuring both the GP and the consultant that there's is no need to stop estrogen (as I am on a low dose 1mg tablet) as long as there is enough progestin.

So I'll have the Mirena fitted either during the biopsy scheduled on 14th August at the hospital or sooner at the GP surgery, and then hopefully the hyperplasia will be reversed.

Anyone going through a similar battle, I recommend learn everything there is to know about the problem, read all the research, NICE guidelines, GP guidelines, RCOG advice etc, print out a copy for doctors, and keep a note of all names, dates and everything the docs say. It is shocking how much misinformation and lack of knowledge it out there among GPs and consultants, Dr C said she was ‘sadly not surprised'. I must say it was like a court case and Dr C being the best lawyer in the world. It is not easy to prove a doctor wrong, but it's my body my health and look what happened when I blindly trusted doctors with the Sequential HRT. I also had to often remind myself that I didn't do anything wrong, this was not a lawsuit where I was the defendant, but boy did it feel like that sometimes!

Does this answer all your questions?

Thank you so much for helping me stay sane!
Andie xx
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Dotty

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 06:33:43 AM »

Hi Andie

I'm so glad to hear that you got sorted with your hrt. Well done for battling. Like you, I also feel like I've studied for a degree in HRT! Good luck with the new regime x
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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 07:14:06 AM »

Brilliantly done AndieKc!

You shouldn't have had to have this battle with the medical profession but I'm so pleased your persistence paid off. Hopefully your experiences will ensure menopausal ladies visiting your gp in the future will receive  appropriate treatment.

You've made my day Andie 😀👍🏻

Robin
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 08:08:15 AM »

Bravo Andre - a women after my own heart. I always go to doctors appointments with everthing written or printed out - I can tell the doctors hate this as it forces them to address the problems and put these things on record as well.

We do need to be educated better about our bodies and how it works. If women were told what to expect when menopause hits, we would be better prepared and know what to ask for. DG x
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dahliagirl

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 10:51:37 AM »

Andy - thank you so much for your post.  It is useful for people like me - I have a surgery with 2 disinterested doctors and the prescribing nurse takes all the responsibility and she has her own interpretations and cannot remember which preparations are continuous or sequential so I don't have a great deal of faith.

You have to strike it lucky with a locum, so it is a bit like Russian roulette.

I read and learn  :)
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Hurdity

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2018, 05:14:38 PM »

Sorry I missed this as v busy lately. Thanks for all that detailed info!

ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC NEWS  AndieKC! You have done a brilliant job and I know the feeling. I did the same myself (reading, research, writing to Dr C on one occasion) - although I was lucky to have a gynae specialist GP at my local practice, but still I have been to ordinary GPs who are really are so ignorant and have threatened to stop my HRT for various reasons - I won't go into it now.

You are an example to us all - and hope that members of this forum have helped you in some way. Even if you already know what to do sometimes it helps to have encouragement that you are doing the right thing - with other women giving you support or be a sounding board for ideas (or for sounding off!)!

I find it unbelievable the fact that docs do not take into account the stage in your cycle when deciding to refer for thickened endometrium. Of course it would have been thicker at the end of the oestrogen only phase - I posted elsewhere today that mine measured more than that (7.4 mm) about 5 days after my bleed stopped and I had several more weeks of oestrogen only to go! However in your case - it is always good to be investigated (womb lining etc) to check all is well - but not if it means erroneous decisions are made!

And bravo also to Dr Currie - for stepping in - that is amazing!

Well - all the best to you and your womb lining - do drop by to tell us how it goes re the bleeds etc - and sounds like you're now in a great position to advise others - if you felt so inclined but quite understand if you now want to put it behind you and get on with making the most out of your life :)

Hurdity x
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AndieKC

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2018, 10:50:14 AM »

Hi Hurdity and dahliagirl
Thank you for your replies, I've been finding the forum a huge help, kept me sane.
Of course I'd be happy to help others, happy to share what I've learnt, just let me know how...

P.s. got a surprise appointment from the newly set up hospital clinic specialist for these things like Mirena so I'm having it fitted on Monday.
Any tips on what painkillers are best to take? Apparently ibuprofen is good for the pain after and paracetamol for the pain during, so take one of each?

And as for estrogen, patches or gel or tablets to go with Mirena? I did really well on Elleste Duet 1mg except for the hyperplasia...

Thank you all ladies,
Not planning to disappear from the forum xx

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Cazikins

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Re: Forced off HRT and onto Mirena due to simple hyperplasia
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2018, 04:05:19 PM »

Good luck for tomorrow AndieKC, you'll be fine.

Take 2 paracetamol before hand - don't take 1 of each..

"If you need further pain relief after the procedure then take 400mg Ibuprofen every 8 hrs (max 1200mg in 24 hrs).
AND/OR:
Paracetamol 2X500mg every 6 hrs (max 8 tabs in 24 hrs)."

The above dose has been advised for my hysteroscopy I am due to have next month, I am assuming it would be ok for your mirena fitting

Cazi x.
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