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[Wilks]

Hi Mrs Bella,
I enjoy your posts too, and you're not prattling on 

Given that you know and trust your GP, I would imagine she's prescribed what you're taking to find something that suits you best.

[Daisydot]

Hi Mrs B Hurdity has given you some great advice there especially if your having liver problems as the creams or /patches/gels are transdermal so will bypass the gut and liver so if your gps good like you say I'd run Hurditys suggestions past her.good luck in whatever you decide xx

[Mrs Bella]

Re the post-meno prescriptions - Mrs Bella has had a hysterectomy so doesn't know where she is in menopause - Is that right Mrs Bella? I am also interested to know though why you have been prescribed Tibolone and Duavive if you don't have a uterus but I am presuming you need the progestogen ( or the SERM in Duavive) because you had endometriosis before your hysterectomy and therefore need to take progestogen all the time to prevent any build up of deposits outside your body?

If you didn't have endometriosis - then a reason for being prescribed Tibiolone would be low libido, but no reason to be prescribed Duavive as you wouldn't need the protective effect of the bazedoxifene ( sp?), and you certainly wouldn't need Femoston! Duavive is  a pretty low dose of oestrogen as well.

Remember if you are in Oz there is a testosterone cream now approved and available - Androfeme, so you could have this alongside an oestrogen patch or pill...

Hurdity x

Oh Hurdity I am so confused now.
I have had a hysterectomy. I still have my ovaries. I had one because my periods were out of control. I will spare you the details. I tried the pill, an Implanon and Mirena. None of these helped so I had a hysterectomy at age 34.
Hurdity I have never had endometriosis.
My GP first put me on patches...they sent me bonkers. I became sort of aggressive and very cranky.
Then she put me on Vagifem. They irritated me down there.
Then it was Tibolone. I have no idea why. I just took it. That was a disaster too.
After that it was another HRT...I think it was just estrogen. The packaging was like a wheel. I just moved the dispenser to the next day. Well that made my boobs feel all tingly. It was horrible.
Lastly, my GP came back from a conference and mentioned Duavive. As it's new on the market she had not yet prescribed it to any other patients. I said I would give it a go.
Isn't Femoston just estrogen? I thought that would be ok for me?
Androfeme is only approved in Western Australia I think my GP said. I would have to get it shipped from there. I still have no idea what and why I would need it?
Hurdity, I thought I kinda understood this menopause bizzo. I have no bloody idea!
What am I meant to be taking? 😩

[Mrs Bella]

Hi Mrs Bella,
I enjoy your posts too, and you're not prattling on 

Given that you know and trust your GP, I would imagine she's prescribed what you're taking to find something that suits you best.

Thank you Wilks!
I hope you are still having a fantastic time on hols.
I do trust my GP. But the MM ladies seem to know a lot more as more options are available in the UK. Eg. Duavive has literally just landed here.
I have no idea what I should be taking 😬

[Daisydot]

Mrs B sorry no wonder your feeling so confused.
I had a hysterectomy 20 years ago had hrt for a few years then taken off by new gp due to all the misinformation bandied around by our so called professionals so is it any wonder we get our heads wedged firmly up our asses trying to work this out.
I'm on oesrtogel now last 5months along with vagifem,I was on estriol cream first but looked like I'd had a snowfall down there when I used it so swopped so maybe you could try the estriol cream first internally for 14 nights to pave the way then see how that goes to decide wether you'll continue with it because trust me you will need some kind of help there at some stage so better sooner than later when it turns to razor blades.
I've been a different me since starting back on hrt don't get me wrong I still have my blip days but there few and far between now.
As my oestrogen levels are now up my meno consultant has prescribed testosterone gel now to see if that improves libido and muscle aches,I've not started it yet I'm still trying to get over the trauma of the price of it 
I would recommend the oesrtogel over patches as they did nothing much at all for me and you can increase the gel to suit your needs,I'm now able to increase to two squirts on consultants advice maybe because I'll be using testosterone I should have clarified but the poor man looked ready for a nap I'd drained his brain so much with the verbal diahorrea lol.
You don't need progesterone if you've had hysterectomy so I don't get why she has you on it given your history,your not there to be her guinea pig you need proven methods not hit or miss trials so stand up to her and say ok this is what I'd like to try after doing some research myself,take control back Mrs B. Xx good luck

[Mrs Bella]

Mrs B sorry no wonder your feeling so confused.
I had a hysterectomy 20 years ago had hrt for a few years then taken off by new gp due to all the misinformation bandied around by our so called professionals so is it any wonder we get our heads wedged firmly up our asses trying to work this out.
I'm on oesrtogel now last 5months along with vagifem,I was on estriol cream first but looked like I'd had a snowfall down there when I used it so swopped so maybe you could try the estriol cream first internally for 14 nights to pave the way then see how that goes to decide wether you'll continue with it because trust me you will need some kind of help there at some stage so better sooner than later when it turns to razor blades.
I've been a different me since starting back on hrt don't get me wrong I still have my blip days but there few and far between now.
As my oestrogen levels are now up my meno consultant has prescribed testosterone gel now to see if that improves libido and muscle aches,I've not started it yet I'm still trying to get over the trauma of the price of it 
I would recommend the oesrtogel over patches as they did nothing much at all for me and you can increase the gel to suit your needs,I'm now able to increase to two squirts on consultants advice maybe because I'll be using testosterone I should have clarified but the poor man looked ready for a nap I'd drained his brain so much with the verbal diahorrea lol.
You don't need progesterone if you've had hysterectomy so I don't get why she has you on it given your history,your not there to be her guinea pig you need proven methods not hit or miss trials so stand up to her and say ok this is what I'd like to try after doing some research myself,take control back Mrs B. Xx good luck

Thank you Daisydot!
My brain is a little fried after all this chitchat...so from what you are saying I should try Oesrtogel and a testosterone gel?

[Daisydot]

No Mrs B try oesrtogel first for at least three moths to get your levels up and to see how you do on it,it's completely different from the pills or patches and has been a life changer for an awful lot of us,you'll start on a low dose I'd say two initially at your age then it can be tweaked to suit your needs up or down
You simply rub it on your inner or outer thigh each morning and let it dry before dressing,
If you have low libido and muscle aches then testosterone would be a good option to try “after” you have settled on the oestrogen and gotten your levels up and stable.
Also ask for estriol cream for your undercarriage it'll help you so much.
So oesrtogel pump and estriol cream is what you want initially I'd say.if you have different names in oz for these your gp should still get the gist of what your requesting good luck xx

[Daisydot]

Does your bloody head in doesent it lol.

[Mrs Bella]

Does your bloody head in doesent it lol.

Yes, it does!
I went to my GP with a completely different list based on what I read in the "Treatments" section and from the forum. I am probably confusing my GP as well.

[Daisydot]

I am sorry Mrs B I know it's all very stressful trying to make sense of all the terminology and various names which can differ from country to country but be the same thing.
You don't have to listen to any of the recommendations if your not comfortable with it but I've tried to keep it in layman's terms for you but explain the thoughts behind it.
You do what your happy with and your gp sounds as if she wouldn't be averse to a bit of outsider knowledge to help,it's got to make her life easier too hasn't it.good luck x

[Mrs Bella]

I am sorry Mrs B I know it's all very stressful trying to make sense of all the terminology and various names which can differ from country to country but be the same thing.
You don't have to listen to any of the recommendations if your not comfortable with it but I've tried to keep it in layman's terms for you but explain the thoughts behind it.
You do what your happy with and your gp sounds as if she wouldn't be averse to a bit of outsider knowledge to help,it's got to make her life easier too hasn't it.good luck x

Oh I appreciate your advice!
And that of the other ladies. I need all the advice I can get as I really do have no idea. My GP is great...she will listen to all my concerns, lists I bring in etc So please keep your ideas/suggestions coming Daisydot! Night, night X

[Daisydot]

Lol I keep forgetting about your time zones lol I've been in your part of the world on 4 occasions and each time it took me ages to get back into my time zone when I got home.fingers crossed for you nite nite x

[Conolly]

Dear Mrs. Bella,

Sorry if I added fuel to the fire 😨  as I said before I only read the leaflets because I can't take HRT so I keep looking for any new treatments available.

Your GP sounds great, I'm sure she'll appreciate your efforts to be proactive regarding your own health.

If you kept your ovaries and had so many different HRT treatments, then your own hormones could be still around. Am I wrong? The knowledgeable ladies will certainly answer that.

Don't you fret, dear! We're all different and that's a wonderful thing.

Night, night, sleep tight 💤😘

Conolly X
 

[Mrs Bella]

Dear Mrs. Bella,

Sorry if I added fuel to the fire 😨  as I said before I only read the leaflets because I can't take HRT so I keep looking for any new treatments available.

Your GP sounds great, I'm sure she'll appreciate your efforts to be proactive regarding your own health.

If you kept your ovaries and had so many different HRT treatments, then your own hormones could be still around. Am I wrong? The knowledgeable ladies will certainly answer that.

Don't you fret, dear! We're all different and that's a wonderful thing.

Night, night, sleep tight 💤😘

Conolly X

Not at all Conolly! I am truly grateful that you pointed it out.
I have had my bloods done and my doctor said I definitely needed to go on HRT. For me all medications are trial and error due to my dodgie liver. I have to have monthly liver function tests regardless of medications I am on. You know when you read the side effects...you go right the down the bottom and it says “Rare”? Well I normally get those.
I told my GP yesterday that I thought the Duavive was only half working ie. not that effective. She really wants me to give it longer as I didn't actually give the others a real shot. My fault entirely as I was pretty stubborn about the whole thing. Looking back, I realise I should have given the patches more of a go. When you have no idea of what's going on with your mind & body, I find it hard to be rational.

[Wilks]

Hi Mrs Bella, I've not worked out how to do quotes but I just saw your comment about patches in your last post. There have been so many posts I can't remember if or where I said it, but I found the Estradot patches which I've been using for the last 4 months to be less irritating to my skin than the Evorel ones I had before.