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[Brimstone]

Hello ladies,
I'm not sure if anyone out there can help me or not but I thought I'd post just in case there was...
I am pre menopausal with thyroid problems as in I can't seem to be able to metabolise the medication, do I am on tiny doses otherwise I feel really poorly.
I've read that certain estrogens said can help the metabolising of thyroid hormone medication.
I'm interested in the bio-identicals only.
I'm trying biovea estriol at the mo in line with moon phase and will add some bio-identical progesterone at the full moon.
I have hot flushes and night sweats.
My doctor says it's useless to test my sex hormones because peri menopause is guaranteed anyway because I'm 47...
Does anyone know about bio-identicals?
I'd like to be able to get a stronger dose at less money from the uk, is that even possible?
I think the Estriol is helping but only time will tell, am being the guinee pig...
Anyone else out there trying to find their way like me?
Would love to hear from you and what you're doing to help yourselves.
Thank you 🌸

[Butterfly22]

Good morning and welcome,
Just wanted to say a lot are in the same boat, is it the gel your using?
I'm not very clued up on bio identical hrt (still can't get my head round it all) but so many ladies in here no a lot so someone will be along to help soon xxx

[Hothothot]

Hi there Brimstone, and welcome.

I also have thyroid problems (autoimmune thyroid disease), and don't convert levothyroxine to t3. From my own research, the opposite of what you've said may be true, that oestrogen can inhibit the body's ability to use thyroid medication, and that thyroid patients on hrt may need increased doses of thyroid medication.

As I understand it, all oestrogen used in hrt is actually bioidentical, and the same as you would be prescribed by a doctor specialising in bioidenticals. It's the progestogen that seems to be different. Most progesterones used in hrt are actually progestogens, which are not the same as our body's own progesterone. The closest to our own (as I understand it, but please do your own research!), is the one in utrogestone. I also suffer from dreadful hot flushes and night sweats without hrt - it's worth remembering though that levothyroxine can cause night sweats - I had dreadful night sweats on levothyroxine long before I was peri - check the side effects on the leaflet.

If you're struggling with thyroid issues, Thyroiduk is a fantastic resource.

I'm sure others who are far more knowledgeable than me will be along soon to help.

Good luck in your journey.

[Hurdity]

Hi there Brimstone

 

Sorry I don't have time to post in detail at the moment but just to say you will find all the information about bioidenticals and what this means on this thread: https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,37209.0.html In particular there is a long post by Dana where she quotes all the various papers and statements on the subject. There is also a blog I think by Dr Currie (home page of website, scroll down for topics). http://wwwmenopausematters.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/bio-identicals.html. The British Menopause Society has just released a statement on it too (think I've got the right organisation...I follow them all on twitter and get so many notifications I can't keep up  )

If you need HRT due to oestrogen depletion (your cycle frequency is a good indication of this) then you can get the "bio-identical hormones" on NHS - better called "body-identical" - as Hothothot says. The only preparations that are really non bio are the PRE ones which come from horse urine.

There is interaction between oestrogen and thyroid metabolism but I don't really understand in depth.

In haste - do read around the main website and there are plenty of threads on this too.

All the best

Hurdity x

[CLKD]

 

we've had discussions about bio-treatments B4 on here.  Browse round.  Make notes.  Some ladies find that keeping a mood/symptom/food diary useful, a chart to take to the GP/Practice Nurse to discuss.  Maybe decide which symptom you would like to ease first?

My Gyane won't test hormone levels because they vary all the while, particularly during peri..  He treats on symptoms.

Read the threads regarding Professor Studd too ........ lots of ladies here have found that his regime is useful and gives some relief.  Also, check out the vaginal atrophy threads ........ forewarned is forearmed 

[dangermouse]

I do like the idea of the lunar cycling to match our natural state! You have a very forward thinking doctor there.

Remember it's not always about quantity with BHRT (unless using to subdue your cycle with mega doses) and more about getting the ratios right to achieve balance.

Let us know how you get on!

[dazned]

Hi 

As Hothothot said HRT can actually interfere with thyroid medication making it much more difficult to keep things balanced I believe. Your approach seems very alternative which is great if it works for you. Keep us updated on how you get on ☺

[CLKD]

We also have a treatment banner above where you can make notes ;-)

[Brimstone]

Thanks so much everyone!

Isn't it always the case though with so many things that we are all so different and all need different treatments...which is what makes the detectoring so frustrating sometimes...
I've found that there is a limit to how much information is available to the lay person on dosing...and even less access to a health professional in my area who could even give me any advise at a reasonable cost...I'm sure that I'm not the only one looking for these answers.

I can just add quickly that the Estriol that I'm trying does seem to be working!
Hot flashes are much less severe and much much further apart and the bed sheets aren't as damp, sex didn't hurt at all (sorry if TMI) feeling so relieved that I may be on the right track at last : )
 
I am just trying to navigate around the forum and look at the links that you have all suggested, thank you so much xxx

[dangermouse]

That's good to know Brimstone!

I'm peri and my oestrogen levels haven't fallen yet but I will try what you are taking when the time comes, as I'm not keen on trying the usual stronger HRT as I get such awful migraines from my own oestrogen right now.

It certainly is the case that we all have to find our own concoctions as one size doesn't fit all!