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[Tempest]

Now this is interesting (this is just one source, there is much research out there if you want to read further).

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/blog/drug-muggers-suzy-cohen-magnesium

(scroll down the list and you will see estrogens in HRT listed).

Magnesium deficiency causes anxiety, nervousness, insomnia, crashing fatigue, muscle aches and twitching and a racing heart. (There are also many other symptoms). I personally have just tested as severely deficient and am now supplementing with magnesium glycinate. Magnesium also becomes more depleted in the body as we age.

I hope some of you may find this interesting. xxxxx

[Hurdity]

Thanks Tempest - sorry to hear you were deficient in magnesium. However I do think most of us should be able to get more than enough magnesium we need from our diet - and this is advised by NHS.  I have come across this idea before (of being robbed of certain nutrients). If we take oestrogen we are replacing less than we would normally produce when younger - and all our bodily processes require nutrients and minerals to work, and therefore as I see it, we are in a constant state of depleting everything which has to be constantly replenished! This particular site is trying to sell supplements (and is American - where these ideas often originate) so personally I would be wary of reading too much into this - but if you have found other studies I would be interested to read them!

I hope you are feeling better anyway Tempest!

Hurdity x

[Otes73]

I too take magnesium as recommended by my friend who has a PhD in nutrition.

It has made a huge difference to me, from easing muscle spasms, bowel issues to helping sleep!

Hope it helps you too Tempest!
Xx

[nearly50]

Interesting. I'd read that estrogen highs cause magnesium to crash so it makes sense. Would like to read more on this if anyone has any links? I take some magnesium but not sure that it is enough.

[dazned]

Thanks for that. I too have read this,also my gp mentioned taking magnesium supplements,she also suggested Q10.

[Julation]

Thanks!  My ENT has strongly recommended Magnesium for migraines as we can't do anything about them and I just can't stop HRT.  I really think there is a link...

[Jemp]

There is a great book called The MAD diet which explains how deficiencies including of magnesium are affecting women.

[Tempest]

Thank you, ladies!

You might also like this research regarding how magnesium supplementation boosts free and total testosterone:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370

I know a dear lady who is undergoing chemo. for stage 4 ovarian cancer at the moment and was severely magnesium deficient (chemo.is notorious for this anyway). Despite being terminal at age 30, she has found it has greatly boosted her energy levels and muscle strength and has just completed a 15km run (she's not on any HRT as she is estrogen positive). She really is a remarkable lassie! She's 17 months post surgery now, 7 organs removed.  xxxxx

[Tempest]

Youre absolutely right, nearly50! Dr Elizabeth Vliet of 'Screaming To Be Heard' fame always supplements magnesium with estrogen for this very reason, and I can attach other evidence based research to prove this. xxxxx

Julation, this is correct about migraines too. Also, magnesium helps to safeguard against the clotting effects of estrogen. Again, there is good evidence based research about this out there. xxxxx

[nearly50]

I had a constant headache which I now only get occasionally since I started to take magnesium. I feel as if I'm through the worst of peri (touch wood) so I suppose it might be down to that, but I'm not about to stop taking it to find out!

[Mbrown001]

I use a magnesium spray. Wouldn't be without it.

It is so difficult to get everything from diet alone these days.

Very interesting, thank you Tempest


Mrs Brown

[Tempest]

You're most welcome, Mrs B! Especially as the soil foods are grown in in the modern age is largely magnesium depleted.

Also worth noting is that magnesium supplementation via IV is VITAL in the treatment of heart attacks. This isn't 'just another mineral'! xxxxx

[Mbrown001]

I initially started to use magnesium spray to help with horrible palpitations but discovered that it helped with aches and pains and general well being.

Perhaps more could be gained from organic foods but that is a very expensive way to live.


Mrs Brown

[Elizabethrose]

Thanks Tempest, interesting links as ever!!

I was prescribed magnesium a couple of times by migraine specialists as it is found to have been beneficial in studies for the treatment of menstrual migraine. Despite my diet being rich in nuts, seeds, and lots of leafy green veg which I eat daily, the benefits were found only at high dose supplementation and that was recommended. I was told that a 2 hour window was needed if taking some ABs though so check the labels girls.

I continue to take magnesium in a joint and bone supplement, that too was recommended by my medics.

Thanks again Tempest - keep those study papers coming. We'll all be sitting our BSc Biology shortly!  x

[Tempest]

I have an excellent diet and I was STILL deficient, ER so it just goes to show!

Chronic stress (be it physical, mental or both) depletes magnesium like no one's business. I highly recommend everyone struggling (and especially the surgical menopause ladies) top up their magnesium. You can't 'overdo it' with magnesium, with the exception of getting diarrhoea if you take masses of it orally or the wrong type (magnesium citrate is rather brutal on the tummy)!

Ladies with hair loss despite taking HRT might also be interested to know that this can be caused by low magnesium, so it's definitely worth a go in their case unless another cause has been identified.

xxxxx