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Author Topic: Vagifem side effects  (Read 32268 times)

babyjane

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2017, 05:01:01 PM »

I think women in previous generations were the same as we are really.  Some would have had more symptoms and struggled more than others, and some would have not noticed anything was amiss.  Certainly some women were taken to mental hospitals with funny turns which could have been anxiety based and flushes.  My own mother had a hysterectomy aged 38, never heard of HRT and was not osteoporotic or had any heart problems and lived to 82.  My mother in law was much the same but developed severe osteoporosis and was very disabled and poorly with it.  Like I said, we are not all the same, now or back then so you are correct in thinking that not all women would have suffered to the same degree.

Our parents and grandparents did not have access to the education and information we have, so although they did not know what it was all about, neither would they have been reading things into every symptom, they were too busy getting through the day. And, of course, there was not Dr Google, who has never been to medical school anyway  ::)

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CLKD

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2017, 06:26:03 PM »

They didn't talk about it either.  If someone was pregnant it was talked about in hushed tones even if she was married.  One of my Grans was 'put away' after birthing one of her children, I think it was post natal depression  :-\.  No support as it wasn't understood.  When I was growing up my friends didn't have Mums that would talk about periods so I was sent home to mine with the questions  ::).

The more technology I see around me, the harder it seems for me to make a decision  ::)
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Hurdity

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2017, 07:57:55 PM »

The risks are clearly stated on the leaflet in the packet!!  So are the possible side effects.  I have noticed that as soon as i started taking Vagifem none of my rings fit and all my bras were far too tight.  i have had headaches and am now experiencing strange leg pains which may not be related. i am super sensitive to chemical hormones as i said before. Vagifem leads to thickening in the womb lining and an increased risk of womb cancer .  However, like so many others on this forum I can't find an alternative without the risks.  My point is, no one KNOWS what the long term use of hormone replacement are, it hasn't been used for long enough.  If Vagifem does not leach into the bloodstream, why are any side effects experienced at all?  This is my question.  For side effects to be apparent, it must be leaching into the bloodstream. My other concern is that Vagifem is oestrogen only.  Some people have been advised that their partners may become feminised because the oestrogen is absorbed by the penis during intercourse.  This in itself is worrying.  it is easy to just swallow what the medical profession tell us (i.e. take this drug and all will be well, there are no KNOWN side effects, or they are just temporary), but i am wary of the pharmaceutical industry generally and question what i am being told, especially when different GPs say different things and generally have a poor understanding anyway of what goes on in menopause or the effects of hormones on functioning. Quite apart from the environmentally unfriendly packaging !!  I am just asking these questions, not attacking or demonising.

Lazydays

Vagifem does not cause thickening of the womb lining and endometrial cancer - well extremely unlikely! The warnings you are reading are the same as all HRT.

I agree that there is little (no?) evidence on long term use of Vagifem or local oestrogen but there have been studies done on the absorption and it is very very small and the actual dose of the tablet is very very small. For example Vagifem is a 10 mcg tablet inserted twice weekly. Contract this with an HRT oestrogen tablet of 1 mg swallowed daily - I know oral doses and local doses are not comparable but 1 mg = 1000 mcg so you would need 100 Vagifem to equate to 1 x 1 mg HRT tablet - gives an idea anyway.

There is no evidence that Vagifem increases fibroids either - because the dose is so tiny.

It doesn't "leach" into the bloodstream but a small amount is absorbed systemically and this amount is negligible compared to the amount of oestrogen you have there. Also once the vaginal tissues are plumped up (from using the local oestrogen) then systemic absorption is reduced - in effect it acts as a barrier.

I agree about the environmental cost - all that packaging and those plastic blue applicators - shocking. You could use Estriol cream which does the same job but a different type of oestrogen. You get this in a tube and fill a re-usable washable applicator so more environmentally friendly.

Despite the lack of long term research gynaes are still happy to prescribe low dose vaginal oestrogen long term because of the adverse consequences for many women, of being without it - symptoms return when treatment stops.

I also agree many Gps are poorly informed about all of this but do ask for referral to a menopause clinic if there is one in your area ( listed under specialists top tabs) - where you can talk things over and air your concerns properly.

Hurdity x

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CLKD

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2017, 10:00:45 PM »

 :thankyou: Hurdity.  -    I suppose every Ovestin packet needs a fresh set of applicators but crikey, I could set up a business with them  ;D .........

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babyjane

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2017, 08:02:32 AM »

I think all the babies nappies constitute far more of an environmental disaster these days, all going to landfill.  Unfortunately we can't recycle everything. 

I used to be so conscious about recycling but since our council took a backward step and reduced their recycling services and started charging for others I feel less inclined to feel so responsible about it  >:(
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ancient runner

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2017, 08:59:44 AM »

I'm alternating between ovestin and vagifem at the moment - it's not very easy to wash the Ovestin applicator properly. Was wondering - can you put it in the dishwasher? I miss my Estring. Now that's probably the most environmentally friendly option...
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MicheleMaBelle

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2017, 09:47:44 AM »

hi ancient runner- you probably can put it in the dishwasher but I'd be careful when stirring my tea!

Lazy days- I saw a gynaecologist privately a few years back when I started having quite bad symptoms of VA. My GP ( incorrectly) pointed out that I could only use Vagifem for a short period. His response was that the GP didn't know her a**e ( front or back ) from her elbow and that there was absolutely no cause for concern to use it indefinitely as absorption systemically was negligible. Every medication carries potential side effects, even the so called natural remedies.

I have a friend who had VA so badly that she started to fuse together. She's had an op to try and correct but she's still having problems - not great at all.

It's funny that you've mentioned Dr Northrup. Someone gave me her book yesterday and I've started reading it. Bits of it are a bit new agey for me but I've done a quick scan and she isn't against the idea of using HRT if it helps. We all just need to find out our own way what is going to work for us and try and live the healthiest life that we can. I hope you can settle on a routine that benefits you.

Finally, I do believe that previous generations also suffered but it wasn't really spoken about and it's not that long ago that women were committed to hospitals and asylums as the result of their hormones x
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ancient runner

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2017, 09:56:09 AM »

Could drink the tea through it I guess Michele?  ;)
Love your user name. I get the song in my head every time I 'see' you.
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Jenna

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2017, 12:05:37 PM »

Hi ancient runner - I use a pipe cleaner (!) to clean the Estriol Cream applicators. You can buy them in the craft sections of the pound shops. I do avoid using the glittery ones though.  ;D
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ancient runner

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2017, 02:11:25 PM »

Every day's a school day on MM  ;D
Good idea. I guess a cotton bud would work, too, now I think about it.
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Jenna

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2017, 02:29:08 PM »

Yes, they can be useful, but don't have the necessary length.  :)
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lesley998

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 02:34:48 PM »

I am throughly confused about the merits of using Vagifem. I have discovered that it should only be used for 3 months and then stopped and only restarted if symptoms are bad.  There is no evidence about long term use, it is a complete unknown beyond one year, and i am not even convinced there is enough knowledge about that.  There is a lot of controversy about oestrogen dominance, and although we are told the vagifem will not cross into the blood, why then are side effects experienced?  Why does it increase the risk of some cancers?  My GP said nothing about side effects or an increased risk of cancers when she prescribed Vagifem for life. I hate the idea of using this stuff for the rest of my life.  Previous to using it I had many of the symptoms described by others on this site, constant UTIs or feeling like i had them, painful sex, urinary urgency etc etc   I just cannot believe that all women suffered this in the past.  There were no antibiotics, so what happened?  Surely this must be a lifestyle thing?

No one on this forum seems to have found an alternative to using Vagifem which has relieved symptoms I have read on another site that honey (thumbnail amount) inserted in the vagina twice a day is very helpful!  It is sticky and messy but I am willing to give it a try...   I really hate the idea of taking Vagifem for life and putting my health at risk.


Hi there!

I use solid organic coconut oil!  Its not as sticky as honey, and really works to lubricate.  Silicone lubricants can drag.   But....coconut oil  doesn't 'plump things up' like vagifem does.  Before vagifem, I felt like my fanny had gone from a lovely marshmallowy pillow  :D to a dry, hollow cardboard tube. OH would never have said as much but I know he noticed the changes too.  I use one every other night.  10mcg.  But,  I keep a jar of coconut oil and use an old ovestin cream pessary dispenser thingy, to insert it high up, but can also just take out a scoop with a teaspoon and do the same!  And watch what you do with the spoon x .  ...more sugar in your tea darling? lol
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CLKD

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2017, 03:40:14 PM »

I have a thin bottle brush for my applicator, throw both parts into the bath as I'm running the water in and let them soak.  I then push the brush through several times and leave to dry.  I need to buy a new brush .........

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MicheleMaBelle

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Re: Vagifem side effects
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2017, 05:57:58 PM »

Thank you ancient runner- for some reason I think of those two guys with the porn star ' taches and the very short shorts, when I see your name. Was it 118 118 advert? Not that I think you've got a porn tache though- unless you've been too generous with the testosterone x

And Jenna- glittery pipe cleaners- that's what I call a proper vajazzle :lol:
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