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jobeckett

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Nick Panay or John Studds?
« on: September 15, 2016, 03:27:25 PM »

Hi Ladies,

I see from reading through this forum a lot of women have sought advice from both Nick Panay and Proff John Studds.  Both seem excellent practitioners albeit private and costly.

I wondered if anyone has seen both and have any opinions on who is better and/or whether they have individually different approaches towards peri meno women?

I have just started Evorel 50/Sequi and 100mg Utrogestan (25 days out of 28) from my GP (just finished week one, no change other than mild nausea and a slightly 'weird' feeling).  I am also taking AD's AA's as I have severe debilitating morning anxiety/panic attacks hence the decision to try HRT (I'm 49, still bleeding although erratically) as it is pretty obvious my hormones have depleted over the past few years.

I realise I need to give it a month or so for any effects to kick in but having suffered for 2 years every morning, I am loathe to waste another year or so trying to find the right dose and the right hormones for my body.  I have no family or a partner so feel quite alone, I also have to run a small business to pay the rent and put food on the table - this has suffered hugely as I have had to take regular days off as I can't get of bed most mornings.  My biz partner is fed up understandably.

I have discussed this with my GP who is totally supportive in me seeking advice from one of these Gynae's (she only knows of Nick Panay) and has warned me of the cost but I'd rather get it right early on than carry on like this any longer.

Would love to hear of anyone's experience with these chaps and their methods of testing & prescribing correct dosages/brands.

Thanks as always
Jo x
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Elizabethrose

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Re: Nick Panay or John Studds?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2016, 03:39:27 PM »

Hi Jo

I'm not sure whether you know, but Nick Panay does also work on the NHS in London. I have no idea where you are situated but would it be possible to get an NHS referral to one of his clinics? They say there's a long waiting list but a pal was referred quite quickly only a short time ago.
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jobeckett

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 03:47:21 PM »

Thanks Elizabethrose, I am London based so can discuss this with my GP.  I'm prepared to pay for a private consultation if I can't see him via NHS although I would like to get my prescriptions via the NHS.  I think this is possible?

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Elizabethrose

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 03:59:39 PM »

If you are London based I can see no reason why you couldn't be referred. Give it a go, it's worth a try and it'll certainly save you the high costs of private care. The clinics will do all of the necessary tests that you can then take elsewhere if you find yourself dissatisfied with your experience.

Some GPs are very happy to issue repeat prescriptions following a private consultation. The only time I've had difficulties was when involved in studies that required 'unusual' methods of drug administration.

Good luck!
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jobeckett

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 04:03:16 PM »

Thanks for the tip! x
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Maryjane

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 04:36:29 PM »

I am seeing Nick Panay in November , be warned a private appointment is a 6 month wait ( what I am doing .)

NHS 12-18 months.
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puddlesmum

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 04:39:54 PM »

I had a telephone consultation with Prof Studd and he was lovely.  Prescribed his usual routine for me which we're still working through (only at 3 months and he says it could be 6 months before things settle for me).  If you can afford it then do it, but if not Nick Panay via NHS is supposed to be just as fab.  My GP is reluctant to give me the meds though so I continue with a private prescription which costs me about £75 every 3 months.

I asked for a consultation on the phone while he was on holiday and they called me the day after he came back fitting me straight in for £300.  All my Prescription letters are free from him now.  And I have a 6 months follow up to book.  But he knows his stuff.  I wanted to get things sorted too when they started getting out of hand so decided private was best for me.

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jobeckett

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 05:07:18 PM »

Thank you for your views Puddles mum & Maryjane - it does generally feel that Panay has a huge waiting list (he's obviously extremely popular) but I couldn't wait months if my initial trial on HRT doesn't work.

I can't really afford private but I wld find the money for testing although not sure whether cld do the meds privately as well.

All v useful info though.
Thanks very much :-)
Xx
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Annie0710

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Re: Nick Panay or John Studds?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 05:37:46 PM »

I had a telephone consultation with Prof Studd and he was lovely.  Prescribed his usual routine for me which we're still working through (only at 3 months and he says it could be 6 months before things settle for me).  If you can afford it then do it, but if not Nick Panay via NHS is supposed to be just as fab.  My GP is reluctant to give me the meds though so I continue with a private prescription which costs me about £75 every 3 months.

I asked for a consultation on the phone while he was on holiday and they called me the day after he came back fitting me straight in for £300.  All my Prescription letters are free from him now.  And I have a 6 months follow up to book.  But he knows his stuff.  I wanted to get things sorted too when they started getting out of hand so decided private was best for me.

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Hi puddlesmum

I have sent you a PM but it's not showing in my sent items

Annie x
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Mary G

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 07:49:56 PM »

I am a patient of Professor Studd but I have heard that Nick Panay is also very good.  The reason Professor Studd's regime is so successful is because it is flexible and that is vital for women who don't get on with the bog standard NHS regimes which tend be very rigid and 'one size fits all'. 

If it helps, you can ask Studd/Panay to write to your GP with their prescription so you can get it on the NHS which will save money. 
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puddlesmum

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 12:53:48 PM »


Hi puddlesmum

I have sent you a PM but it's not showing in my sent items

Annie x
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Hurdity

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 08:48:04 PM »

Hi jobeckett

I'm not sure why you want to go to a private gynae?

You are almost there - with your prescription!

One thing I'm not clear about is that you are taking Evorel sequi  but I hope you mean just Evorel 50 (Evorel sequi is a continuous combined HRT with two weeks of Evorel 50 (50mcg oestrogen)  followed by two weeks of Evorel conti which has the 50 mcg oestrogen + added norethisterone).

However you can't tell anything after 1 week!!! the easiest test for deciding if HRT is working is elimination of flushes and sweats but unfortunately (or probably fortunately you will think!) as you are taking ADs these have probably stopped the sweats so the improvement won't be so obvious.

However you are also taking utrogestan more or less continuously and this could cause a permanent sedative effect especially in t he mornings and can cause nausea too.

Your GP sounds as though she is sympathetic so why not go back to her and suggest going on a cycle so you only take progesterone for a short while per month. That way you will get the benefit of the oestrogen without the permanent sedating effect of the Utrogestan. You should still be on cyclical HRT anyway if you are still having periods.

Personally I prefer Estradot as they are very small but I am sure Evorel are just as good - its just that if you need to increase the dose they are rather large whereas Estradot are tiny.

If you are on a cycle you would take utrogestan (2 x 100mg) from say Days 15 - 26 (or 17 -28) or if you are late peri-menopause with very infrequent periods and therefore not much of your own cycle, even try a calendar month cycle ( take utrogestan on the first 11-12 days of each calendar month).

I would try the regime you have for 3 months at first and see how you feel but preferably with the progesterone on a cycle (ie 2 x 100mg for 11 -12 days preferably vaginally to minimise side effects.

Your doctor should be able to agree to this - after all you have the oestrogen and separate progesterone - and you don't need to pay a private practitioner. The only thing they will give you is a prescription for testosterone too - but it's better to get settled on oestrogen and prog HRT before adding testosterone (if necessary - because some women do not need it.

John Studd pretty much has a one-size fits all prescription which has been widely publicised on here and seems to be 2-4 pumps oestrogel, 7 days progesterone every 4 weeks and small blob of testosterone. From what I've read on here (shoot me down those who've consulted him, if this is not true!) the only variation is upping or reducing the gel pretty much!

If after trying your oestrogen and prog for 3 months it's not right - then you can increase the patch size ( they go up to 100 mcg) or try gel.

You don't need to spend all this money!

I am appalled that the NHS waiting list for Nick Panay is 18 months - I mean what are women to do in the meantime - it is criminal. Those without the funds don't stand a chance. If one pays to jump the queue what happens to those women - the queue gets even longer :( . I don't think he should practice privately. Studd does because he's retired from NHS and is in Harley street only. There should be more NHS meno gynaes!

Also can your GP not refer you to another NHS gynae with shorter waiting times? Have a look on the list of specialists and see if there is someone else?

Hope this is helpful - it's jumping about a bit!

Hurdity x
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Fullmoon

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 09:19:32 PM »

I don't think it does take 18 months to get to Mr Panay's NHS clinic - my gp referred me in late July and my appointment is early October.  Of course there is no guarantee that you will get to see Mr P - you might have one of the team - but you do know they are all menopause specialists.  Incidentally I think it would have taken me longer to see Mr P provately as his waiting list is so long! But I agree with you Hurdity there should be more menopause specialists - it is a four hour round trip for me to go to the Meno Clinic!
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Elizabethrose

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2016, 07:18:50 AM »

As Fullmoon says, I don't think the NHS clinics for Nick Panay are that long in reality, though they may be quoted as such. A friend recently saw him within two and a half months of requesting a referral from her GP on the NHS. The clinics are for NHS patients only; his private work is carried out elsewhere. It is not a question of one paying to jump the queue to the disadvantage of those who can't: his private and NHS work are managed quite separately in different parts of his life.

He has a whole team of trained hormone specialists working in his clinics, who he oversees. If indeed you are seen by somebody else but would prefer to see him, things are flexible and can be juggled.

As far as prescriptions are concerned, Nick too recommends the Oestrogel, Utrogestan combination, or something very similar, after careful analysis of a patient's history. Like with John Studd, there are also many other prescription combinations regularly prescribed. It's not at all set in stone, it is very flexible

I hope this helps Jo: I think it wise of you to seek advice from others who have seen both men, though I suspect it's pretty unlikely you'll be lucky enough to get a response from many who have seen both. Trust your judgement from the advice given by those who have actually been treated by either but I'm sure you realise there are plenty of other excellent docs out there who would be able to help. Whether it's private or NHS that is of course your choice if you are willing or able to pay.

Good luck to you, I wish you well x
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dangermouse

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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2016, 08:21:24 AM »

We now have this running in North London https://www.doctaly.com. Now GPs who work at a practice can see private patients which I suspect is to bring more funding into the practice.

If it's like with therapists, we work in private practice but we can also offer our services to the NHS. The idea is that you have many more clients but you are paid a much lower rate and instead of the client paying you, you claim the fees back from the NHS using our personal provider numbers.

The downside is that because patients receive it for free they aren't as committed and may also attend just to please a family member. CBT has been a big failure with the NHS because it's a type of therapy where the patient has to take a very active part and work hard at it every day. Too many aren't willing to put in the effort. Therefore, it's another waste of NHS money.

I believe if everyone paid a very small amount for appointments it would solve many problems (extra funding, motivation to turn up, taking more responsibility for own health etc.). Then the service would be better and we wouldn't have to fork out hundreds of pounds to see more reliable specialists.

My friend only got the set prescription from Studd and the 'take more pumps' when she got worse. She continued to get worse and is going down the functional medicine route now. Others seem to write about a more bespoke service from him though.
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