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GeordieGirl

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2015, 07:16:06 PM »

My oldest sister had a drink problem, but she insisted she could leave it any time. She drank a lot of water too - or that's what she told us, and I truly believe she believed it too. At the same time she lost a lot of weight, her skin was sallow and bad and depression took over.  She would never go to AA or take any of the support available, nor would she ever help herself, but sought excuse after excuse. Despite being very intelligent and a previous medical career this fell by the wayside many years before due to the drink - she lost all motivation and depression took over. She died aged 53 leaving behind a young teenage son. By the time she died I actually disliked her - she'd become An Alcoholic and the addiction took over her whole world and personality, she became incredibly selfish near the end.

AA want you to stop the drink because that's the only way not to depend on it. It's bloody hard and that's why they're on hand to support you through it, but you really do need to want to help yourself.  If you can stop anytime, then it's worth doing - alcohol isn't the answer and will only be feeding your depression. This will be a much more positive step than looking for other diagnoses and financial support. It's more likely to be the alcohol that's causing issues than the relationship with your mum - that doesn't decrease your motivation, stop you from getting better or stop you from working.  I know this may sound harsh, but believe me, having seen my sister destroy herself from the inside out I'd hate to see anyone go down this path when they've still a chance of saving themselves.

Because I have depression and some unsolvable problems, I sometimes wish for cancer.

Have mine. I've been diagnosed with bowel cancer and really wish I hadn't. How anyone can wish for it I really don't know - my young daughters would probably say the same.

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Dandelion

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2015, 07:29:26 PM »

Neither  ;)

If you have support local to you then make use of it.  Do you need to engage with your Mum for a while?  If not, then make yourself a safety bubble  ;)
She said things like "Move on from what I did to you", "We kept you little" "I'm telling you, you won't get an apology"

Those to me, suggest no conscience and cold hearted callousness.
I don't feel strong enough to live in this society, especially the way it is going.
I was brought up to be weak and by the time I became aware of it, I found it very hard to function as an adult.
She used to favour my sister and get her to bully me, they both picked on me at the same time, like in stereo.
She also favoured my brother.
I'm worried I may become homeless in future, and will fail on the streets and have no choice but to move back in with her, but hers is not a safe house either, mentally it is not, my mental health would be at grave risk of deteriorating if I moved back in with her.
I don't really find the groups much help, except for when I feel well enough to go and chat or do activities. Most of the time I am too depressed to go, to get out of bed/my chair even.
Antidepressants don't work and I am so glad that I came off mine, as they were no use at all. Tried a few, don't want to try any more.
Like I said in an earlier post, part of me wishes the weight loss is down to cancer, but I should be so lucky.
I know cancer is horrible, but it is a ticket out.
I'm not in danger of suicide, because I am frightened of it not working and me waking back up.
That's put me off attempting suicide.
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GeordieGirl

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2015, 07:35:58 PM »

Like I said in an earlier post, part of me wishes the weight loss is down to cancer, but I should be so lucky.

I actually find this quite offensive. You have a chance to sort out your problems, you've been offered support and if you cut out the drink too then there's a chance you can get back on your feet. If you're struggling mentally, talk to your doctor for a review. It's not about more benefits, but a proper diagnosis to get you out of the black hole. I'm hoping that I'll be able to "sort out" my problem too, but may not - it's out of my hands.  Lucky?

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honeybun

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2015, 07:36:07 PM »

I totally agree GG.
What a great and thoughtful post.


I watched my mothers brother drink himself to death leaving three children. Their mother had died years before. Two of my cousins are fine....the third died this year....he was not 50 and an alcoholic.

My hubby has a life limiting illness which he has had treatment for in an effort to get better. No matter how hard things have been.....and they have been hard ...he has constantly looked for the positives in life. Hopefully his latest treatement has worked....we so hope so.

Sometimes it's just down to us to make the most of what we have, take responsibility for things, see where we want to go, and then go for it.

To be honest Dandelion, wishing yourself cancer is disrespectful of forum members who actually have or have recovered from cancer.
I know you have problems but Geordie Girl who has two teenagers to look after has just been given this diagnosis and is facing it with courage.
Not sure it's the right thing to say at all.


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Dandelion

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2015, 07:41:27 PM »

Just to say Dandelion if you do run into problems, there is a group called Christians Against Poverty in our area and I assume they are a national organisation and I know they helped someone in this area avoid losing their house and even turned up at court to help her - so file that information away because it might be useful if they operate in your area.

Also have you thought about taking an antidepressant?  If the depression you are experiencing is very deep, then, even in the short term, an antidepressant might help - I'm told they take 6 - 8 weeks to kick in fully and for the first few weeks you can get side effects (I had to stop taking the one I was given after 2 days because the side effects were so extreme and I'm so damn sensitive to medication) - but I've heard people talk about how useful they are.  And it might help you function a bit more in the short term which might help you with dealing with life generally.

Also (and you probably know this) alcohol is a depressant - so it's best avoided if you can.

I'm really glad you have access to a counsellor - talking to someone is really important.

Sending hugs xxx
Thanks for the info about Christians against poverty.
I suppose they won't help unless I get into arrears, though, and I don't want it to come to that.
I have tried antidepressants, not effective, too much side effects.
I stopped drinking this afternoon, just didn't fancy filling my glass again I felt like it would lower my mood even more.
Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, not actually a depressant in the context of mood lowering.
It usually falsely lifts my mood which is why I drink, in desperation to feel happier, but today, I just didn't feel in the mood for a drink after the first glass.
I do have access to a counsellor, but if the government cuts my benefits, I will have to stop the sessions, so thanks Dave Cameron for helping me improve my life. :(
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honeybun

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2015, 07:45:07 PM »

Sounds to me as if you are getting lots of help. Hopefully you will be strong enough not to drink tomorrow, or the day after or the day after that. Well done for taking that first step.

How do people manage to afford alcohol on benefits. That's something that has always puzzled me as its so expensive.  :-\


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GeordieGirl

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2015, 07:45:42 PM »

thanks Dave Cameron for helping me improve my life. :(

Dandelion, you're the only person who will be able to improve your life, not David Cameron.
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Limpy

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2015, 07:50:21 PM »


My mum knows she contributes to my depression but is too busy play-acting happy families with my more successful siblings.
she's not sorry, i wonder if she is a sociopath/psychopath.


Dandelion - I'me really sorry things aren't as you wish with your mum and siblings.

However, perhaps your mum finds it easier to be with your siblings, just because we are related to somebody doesn't mean that we have to like or get on with them.

Not all mothers like their children
When I was 11, my mum dumped my brother (eight) and me with my suicidal dad, then b----red off. The only thing that you can do is get on with things. I had to, there was no choice.

I've just seen your comment about cancer - good grief - listen to yourself.
Another person on the forum does have cancer, she's not happy about it but is dealing with it with dignity.

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Dandelion

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2015, 07:53:51 PM »

My hubby was the fifth child and not wanted by his mother. She made it very obvious throughout his childhood.
His bags were packed for him on his 16th birthday and he was told that as he was an adult he would have to make his own way in the world.

He was serving an apprenticeship in his dad's factory at that point....they were not poor.

He chose to make the best of things, finished his apprenticeship and then went on to travel the country and then the world.

He is a well adjusted person, confident and very independent .

You are what you make of yourself. We can only blame our parents for so much but as we become adults then it's up to us.
I had a happy childhood, and then my dad died on my 19th birthday and I was left with a mother who could not and did not function for years. It made me grow up very quickly and by the time I got married at 24 I was a strong person....I had to be.

You can't blame the government for everything. No matter who is in power they want people to get into work and contribute. There is only a limited amount of money to go around.
People who are applying for PIP have an assement and if you are not fit to work due to ill health, then from what I can read the allowance is generous.

Mybhubby was made redundant three times and also had ill health. We just had to get on and do the best we could. You have to be really imaginative to make ends meet...we were and we did.

I know it's hard but we have to play with the cards we are dealt.

Unfortunately it's down to each individual.

There seems to be lots of help out there....


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I'm sorry your hubby was not wanted by his mother.
Some parents just don't like children. My parents said this when I was a kid, and I said "What about your own kids" and they said, they liked their own. They lied, my siblings lie about how awful they were, always threatening and too violent.
My Dad used to get us three girls pull down our pants and bending over the settee so he could smack us on the arse. The smack was not a hard smack, it was more the bare arse thing he liked. He didn't like women or girls.
My mum and sister used to side with him if he was horrible to me as an adult.

I'm more angry I never left home until 25years old, maybe I am a masochist and enjoy pain, but i am not aware that I am.

Maybe leaving home was what made your hubby strong.
I think I have done some real psychological damage by not leaving  home, and my parents did not want me to leave.
I can't  make it as an adult, I have made too many mistakes, fallen into too many traps, for instance, buying this flat with the breached lease that will take tens of thousands to put right, among other things.
It's just too hard. I am not learning or learning from my mistakes.

Honeybun, I am sorry but you are very wrong with your statements about benefit claimants.
You are believing the mainstream media propeganda about claimants.
Benefits street, and the daily mail for two.
It's not about getting people into work and contributing.
It is about attacking the vulnerable and poor.
That angers me. I did work, I did contribute, I deserve my benefits.
That is just propeganda from the mainstream media, taking away the blame from the banks who the government are in bed with.
Any coward can attack the vulnerable.
The DWP refuse to publish thes suicide statistics caused by the draconian workfare system. Frankly what you have said has depressed me a bit more.
There is not enough help.
Your post was unhelpful :(

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Dandelion

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2015, 07:58:06 PM »

Sounds to me as if you are getting lots of help. Hopefully you will be strong enough not to drink tomorrow, or the day after or the day after that. Well done for taking that first step.
Sorry but you sound ignorant and I dunno if you watch benefits street or read daily mail.
Try googling about "callums list" or David Clapson.

How do people manage to afford alcohol on benefits. That's something that has always puzzled me as its so expensive.  :-\


Honeybun
Sorry but you sound ignorant on benefits, like you beleive all the propeganda.
Give it a few years and you will see how bad this government is, not just on benefits, you will see for yourself.
You will get drink if you are addicted no matter what. addiction is a disease.
It is not as simple as just stopping. I only put my glass down today because I didnt fancy it, not physically addicted, but mentally I am.

You obviously have a thing against benefit claimants, for your information, I have a pension also.

Please do not post any more on this thread, your posts are very offensive and unhelpful.
You obviously have no clue about my life, and are making me feel worse.
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honeybun

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2015, 08:06:19 PM »

 I did not mean to make you feel worse.

I do not have any issues with benefits for those in need and I was congratulating you on not having a drink.

I will bow out of this topic now.



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GeordieGirl

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2015, 08:11:38 PM »

Ok I may get lambasted for this but I'm going to say it any way.

We all have challenges in life, these come in different shapes and sizes. Read some of the other threads on here (Groundhog's for example) and see how we amass the strength to deal with these. We don't want them, sometimes they floor us completely, but we carry on.  And you know the best way to carry on? Take control.

I'm facing a bit of a hurdle in my life at the moment and one statistic really stood out when chatting to my consultant - patients are known to make a better recovery when they feel they're in control. That's why the NHS have adopted a policy of working with the patient rather than dictating. My lovely consultant has referred me to a specialist centre where I'm hopefully going to get pioneering treatment. All under the NHS, and all under David Cameron.

Blaming others for all of our challenges leaves us in downward spiral. We are all living under DC and the conservative government at the moment; most of us here have been suffering because of menopause or other issues; some can't work; some have suffered bereavement; some have bad anxiety. Whose fault is that? It's not necessarily anyone's - it's life. Yes it sucks occasionally but it's also a wonderful thing and not something to be simply wished away.

The longer you take solace in drink to lift your mood and continue to blame everyone else/ thing for your situation, the less likely you'll be to come out of this situation. If you're struggling then talk to your counsellor or doctor. But Do Not Drink.

Seeing a bright and intelligent woman dying from alcohol poisoning definitely has flavoured my views on this - it's such a tragic waste. So much of your story and your approach is so familiar in this. You need help, but it's not in a bottle.

I have also a friend who was an alcoholic. She was the product of a one night stand and never wanted. Her mum threw her out at 14 and after a couple of years going from council home to foster home and back again, she lived on the streets an alcoholic and drug addict. Fortunately she grabbed hold of the help offered and ended up going to uni, studying to be a social worker and help others. She's now also a renowned author of self help books.

By posting on the forum one assumes you want the views of others. That's what you've received on here, unfortunately a few of us have experienced alcoholism and we may be more direct than others. But unless you take this on board, you won't get any further. Harsh speaking perhaps, but the truth. The signs are shouting out.

GG x
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CLKD

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2015, 08:14:24 PM »

Why wait until you have problems that might see you on the street?  There are several agencies i.e. Shelter, Salvation Army, other Church organisations; I am no way religious but my Vicar was very supportive when I was too depressed to move from the chair.  I thought I would never get out the door again but with support from my GP, a loving husband, a Vicar who visited regularly; advice from the mental health group and local private Hospital: I did survive.  It was hard work! for everyone involved. 

I moved emotionally away from most of my family.  As I stepped back I could see how judgemental they are, not only towards me but to those around them.  That's how they are. I can't change it but I do not need to engage  ;).  My choice.  No arguments.  I keep out of their way as much as I can. 

I keep lists.  I LOVE my lists.  Helps me get through the day  ;).  What needs to be one in side and a list of gardening routines, plants to buy etc.; garden centre on the way to the Supermarket  ;).  So a list of chores, a list of the various agencies suggested here, finding out which are closest to you (yellow pages is a good start).

Keeping a food/mood diary helped too. Issues ticked off so that I could see what I *had* achieved.  When depressed I couldn't see what I had done unless I had the list to re-inforce my daily activities.  No one suggested it, it was 1 of my coping mechanisms.  I had a list of which medications I had to take otherwise I would forget if I hadn/not taken them.

I had cancer.  I would never wish for it.  It took years out of my Life.  As did depression. No one offered me support, I had to go out and ask for it even though I could hardly move.  At times I was crawling around the house …….. there is a way out including the Samaritans.  Anonymous.  There 24/7.

Once you have someone on-side you will begin to pick up.  It won't be easy.  But help is there.
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Annie0710

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2015, 08:16:17 PM »

You really are a good person GG

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GeordieGirl

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Re: Rapid weight loss
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2015, 08:17:01 PM »

What's also noticeable is that whilst you have replied to Honeybun in disgust at what she posted, you have totally ignored my point about you wishing you had cancer. Not one word. I'd have been apologising profusely.

It doesn't bother me to be honest, I have a lot of lovely friends, family and more to the point, a positive attitude. In that sense I do feel lucky. Not because I have cancer, but because I can look for the blessings in life and be grateful for these, rather than blame everyone and everything for making it sh*t. 

It's so sad to see someone go down the route you're following, but unless you take control and actively seek to change this, it's just not going to happen.
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