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Greenfields

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Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« on: May 06, 2015, 01:39:37 PM »

I was planning on moving back to Canada when my menopausal symptoms blew up and stymied everything. I had given up my UK job and was looking forward to doing a Masters course in Canada.

I'm still in the process of researching accessing HRT in Ontario Canada but it looks like it won't be straightforward and I may not be able to get access to it.

If this is the case, then I will probably have to stay in the UK - which was not my plan or preferred choice given the housing crisis (I privately rent and my UK salary wasn't covering all my basic bills). I have some small savings which were my pension savings (which I'm now having to live off and the amount prevents me from claiming benefits as they are not yet low enough for me to qualify for benefits).

Physically I'm feeling better (9 days into the new HRT treatment) but I'm trying to figure out what the hell to do with respect to employment. If I continue to be well then I need to apply for work. However most UK application forms state that you need to account for any gaps in employment. Given that I've not worked since the end of November last year, was planning on moving to Canada in April but got ill in March and possibly may not be able to move back to Canada now ... I'm just wondering what to put on application forms and how to explain this to employer's?

Has anyone got any ideas about how to approach this?  If I have to stay in the UK, I think I will try and get a job further North because the rents are cheaper. But at the moment I'm wondering whether anyone is ever going to employ me again. I have 3 degrees and am 51.  I also have repetitive strain injury which I manage but I can't do a lot of data input work.

I can't face renting a bedroom again (which was what I was doing prior to living in my current flat) because I've had so many difficulties with UK landlords (the last one told me the heating wasn't going on till December and removed the thermostat which was why I moved). But private rented flats in the South are so so expensive to rent.

If anyone has any advice re: restarting a career after menopausal issues I would be so grateful to hear from you.  I live on my own and I need to be able to support myself. I was really hoping to move back to Canada but unless I can get a cast iron guarantee that I can access the HRT I'm on, I can't risk moving back and coming off the medication and then getting really ill again.

 

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dazned

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 01:56:47 PM »

Hi Greenfield you seem to trying to take on an awful lot at a time when you seem to be not yet stabilized on your new hrt regime. Maybe try to take one step at a time.  :-\

Get your health established first perhaps then you should be able to see a way forward more easily ,things always appear insurmountable when you are functioning below parr. Take care of yourself.x
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Greenfields

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 02:25:23 PM »

Oh my health is getting better. But I need to take steps to sorting out other things - and it's how to do that, that is challenging!
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honeybun

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 06:24:20 PM »

I can't remember who it was but we did have a Canadian lady on the forum who seemed to be able to get HRT with no difficulties.
Ok they are maybe called different names but they do the same thing. If you explained to your GP then they would give you six months worth at least. That would give enough time for you to get HRT sorted in Canada.
If the worst came to the absolute worst then you can buy HRT on line.

I think....sorry...you are over thinking things here.

It sounds as if your dream is Canada.....go for it if you feel able which I'm sure you will be soon. It's Canada, not Outer Mongolia, they have the same medicines that we do, and just as many menopausal women.

I honestly don't think that will be an issue at all.

I hope you get to follow your dream......life is so short....go for it.


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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 07:40:03 PM »

Greenfields - Where do you really want to be, Canada or the UK?
Once have that settled in your mind then other things will fall into place.
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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 07:48:37 PM »

DogDoc? from Canada?

Remind me: what is your skill base? 
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Hurdity

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 08:14:01 PM »

I think it's Suzyq (from Canada) - not the Oz one or the other one.

Re employment. If you have been living off your own savings and there is a gap in employment then there is no need to say anything anyway. I mean if you have private means you can do what you like - you could say anything. You could have been doing private study related to your course, or just having time off and relaxing, travelling or anything - you don't have to say you stopped through illness especially if you were not claiming benefits, unless an employer from whom you need a reference will mention this? What are your degrees?

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Greenfields

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2015, 01:49:51 PM »

I've been corresponding with Suzyq in Canada and she's been very helpful.

However, HRT is not covered by OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) which means that you have to pay for the drugs if you don't have a job with health benefits.

Also, in order to access it, you need to see a gynaecologist in the public health system or pay for it privately at a private menopause clinic.

Ontario has a shortage of Dr's so most people go to walk-in clinics to see a Dr (but you're not registered with them).  These Dr's can't issue prescriptions for HRT.

So first step (if you want to go via the public health system to get HRT) is to find a family Dr to register with (which can be very very difficult as there's an impossible shortage of Dr's).

Next step is to get a referral from the Dr to a gynaecologist because the Dr you're registered with can't issue the HRT - it has to be the gynaecologist!  And I've been told referrals can take up to 6 months to get.  BTW you can't get a referral to a specialist like a gynaecologist without being first registered with a family Dr.

Alternatively, go the private clinic route. I've been emailing private clinics in Toronto as the city I was intending to move back to (2 hours away from Toronto) has no private menopause clinics - the only Dr offering HRT in that city is not taking on new patients and is getting out of offering HRT!

Suzyq told me that the cost of her HRT is around $70 a month but it's covered by her health plan.

So yep, Canada isn't Mongolia but it isn't the UK either!  And I want to make damn sure, if I do move back, that I can (a) access the drugs and (b) pay for them.

BTW I am probably over thinking and panicking about it - but then I never thought I would get mentally ill from menopause! And I really don't want to get as ill ever ever again if I can help it.

A lot of jobs in Canada now are part-time or contract - it's a way for employers to avoid paying benefits like health benefits and EI (Employment Insurance) - so workers may have to work 2 or 3 p/t jobs in order to make a living and at the same time have no health benefits and no access to employment insurance if they lose the jobs.  That's North American capitalism for you!  Having said that, there are good jobs around as well - but it's hard getting them because of the high unemployment rate and the need to 'know' someone in order to get a good job.

On the plus side, renting in North America is generally cheaper and more professionally run than the UK (so you win some and you lose some).

I am hoping, if I continue to be well, to make a trip back to Canada before August to figure out what to do.  As I no longer have my MSW place to take up in the Fall, I face the prospect of a year of working multiple minimum wage jobs in Ontario unless I'm prepared to move to a colder province (think minus 40, minus 50 in winter - and I would be moving somewhere where I wouldn't know a soul) in order to get a better paid job.  And while working said minimum wage jobs I would have to reapply to get on the MSW all over again - and it's fiercely competitive - I got one of 25 places this year.  Oh and I probably have to take a statistics course p/t too because a lot of the courses require a Canadian stats course and I couldn't rely on getting into the one institution that I got into this year which accepted my UK undergrad stats course (and I suck at stats!).

The alternative is to stay in the UK but possibly move North or somewhere much much cheaper with respect to housing - as I cannot afford to stay where I am unless I can get a job with at least 25K salary due to the very high rental costs.

Or I could move back into a bedroom in a shared house - but having experienced that last year and the rules around no heating until December - I think I would rather pass on that!     

Or I could stay where I am, get a job and run my savings down until I qualify for housing benefit due to the very high rent.

I do like being in the UK more and more these days because people have been so very very kind to me - having no family support I've become very aware of the support and kindness I've had from complete strangers.  Also I've always loved the English countryside and I missed it so much when I was in Canada.  And the architecture here is also generally much nicer than in North America.  And there are more benefits available here than in North American (Canadian's don't have housing benefit and have had Food Banks since the 80's).  And people don't work as hard here in the UK - you have more holidays and shops aren't open 24 hours all the time like they tend to be in North America (or open much longer hours).  But I hate the precarious private housing situation in the UK - I've had over 40 addresses over the years and have found UK renting intensely stressful.  And North Americans have an uplifting can-do optimism which is nice.  And it's easier to set yourself up in business there as self-employed.   

But the original plan was to do an MSW and then get a very well paid job (30K UK pounds) and save for retirement at 70! 

Now I'm not sure what I'm going to do ... just taking it one step at a time.  When I feel a bit low I tend to think - do I want to risk mental illness in North America or homelessness in the UK?!  Fortunately most of the time I don't dwell on this - but it is at the back of my mind because Lord knows when the UK politicians are going to sort out the UK housing crisis and enable people to live in safe, secure, affordable housing. 

Hurdity - my degrees are: BSc (Hons) Applied Consumer Sciences, MA Librarianship, Bachelor of Social Work (which is Canadian and quite different from UK social work degrees).  I also have a British Wheel of Yoga Teaching Diploma.

I'd love to work in libraries and research again but having repetitive strain injury I can't spend all day on the computer.

The other thing I would love to do is to be some kind of health coach - perhaps do some fitness training and then combine that with my yoga, meditation and counselling skills.  But in the short term I need to figure out the best way to earn some money! - so I can cover rent, food, council tax etc.

Since I posted this query I've actually started googling around on finding work when you've had time off for illness and you are quite right Hurdity - I don't need to say anything specific. And I don't think my last employer would need to mention my illness as I got ill after I left them.

One thing I am thinking of doing if I continue well is to sit down and start writing some articles about my most recent experiences - it would help to process the trauma and who knows, someone might be interested in publishing them and it might be another way to earn a little bit of money.

The mental health agency I have self referred to have also suggested that, if my health continues well, I should look into volunteer work - which I intend to do - which would give me more references to fall back on.



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honeybun

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Re: Employment advice when you've taken time off for illness
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2015, 03:02:47 PM »

Is it possible for you just to buy your HRT online now you know what suits you.

You are really well educated and hopefully you won't find it too difficult to find employment in the UK.
You talk about moving north. Are you thinking of Scotland. The rents here for private housing are a fraction of the cost you pay in southern England. My son rents a flat in Glasgow for around 500 per month but that's a two bed and City Centre. On the coast you can get somewhere really nice for a hundred a month less.
Hopefully as your health continues to improve you will be able to figure out what's going to be best for you.


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Greenfields

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2015, 04:44:53 PM »

Thanks Honeybun - and I had no idea you could rent for so little in Scotland! The furthest I've lived is Newcastle but I've visited Scotland and spent holidays there - its nice :)

Here, at the moment, in Hampshire, for a small 1 bedroom flat I pay £650 rent, £86 council tax, £21 water, £30 electricity (altho' it's actually a lot more when I pay the extra on top of the DD), and in my last job I needed a car as well ... so if you add that all up and then add in food, car insurance, mot etc - there's not a lot left when you earn £18K (which was what my last job paid). The landlord also wanted a rental deposit (£975) and the letting agent charged me (£220). And I had to buy a fridge because they wouldn't provide one (that was £144).

Prior to that I was paying £460 a month for a bedroom (bills included) - but then I was told no heating till December. And when I moved out, the landlord found someone else right away and put the rent up as well!  There is such a housing shortage here it makes people greedy and unpleasant.

England is growing on me more and more the longer I stay here (my heart was always in the landscape of this country) but the housing costs (certainly in the South) make it financially very difficult to get by and its impossible to rent a flat and save for a pension unless you are on an exceptionally good salary if you're on your own. 
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honeybun

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2015, 07:51:51 PM »

My daughter and her friend are moving into a Glasgow flat this year for her last year at uni. They are looking at a part of the city called The Merchant City. It's lovely. They need a two bed with parking. She will pay about 300 a month + utilities. Obviously that's a half share. Scotland is so much cheaper to rent. Have a look at Glasgow. It's lost it's grim image....it's vibrant and a beautiful city.....mind you it rains a lot  ::)
So many options out there for you.
The only money you should pay to an agent up here is the cost of a credit search....under £50. No other costs that I am aware of....and I worked for a letting agent a few years ago.


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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2015, 08:51:14 AM »

As regards your original question about advice and experiences about what to put on application forms/say to potential employers about your gap in employment.... just to sound a note of caution.  I think you do need to be careful, because if you write down or say anything that could be construed as misleading this could be used against you by an employer in the future if you were to need to take sickness absence.  Personally I have found that honesty and openness form the best policy.  I had a great deal of sickness absence due to cancer treatment and the ongoing effects do restrict what I can do work-wise.  However, I am covered by the legislation in the Equalities Act, which I've never needed to resort to, but, it gives me a degree of comfort.  Have you considered consulting an employment lawyer for advice?  Or perhaps there is a charity or organisation which might give employment advice to someone in your position (I know MacMillan are excellent in that area for cancer patients but don't know of any others for other health-related issues, apart from Citizens' Advice Bureau maybe?).   
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Greenfields

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2015, 09:42:52 AM »

That's a good point Tiger.  Having looked online at some of the advice there, one thing I have thought about saying is that I took some time out to successfully address a health issue - and leave it at that. And then if they want to know more I will say I had a menopausal hormonal imbalance which had to be addressed in order for me to function optimally.  But I'm still reading around on the topic. I know from past UK job applications that one always has to fill in a health form anyway - so I will have to declare it if I stay in the UK. 

In North America they don't care so much about health stuff but, if I do return to Canada (more likely now given the new UK government - it's either that or move to Scotland!) - I will probably have to work a few minimum wage jobs if I move back to Ontario (while reapplying for the MSW) or move to a colder province to get a professionally paid job with just my BSW - which is more daunting in terms of starting over. I just have to remind myself to take 1 step at a time.

BTW I've had a response from a very nice Toronto Dr (who runs a private menopause clinic) and she said she could see me and it would cost around $70 a month for HRT treatment which is manageable.  I've emailed her a few more questions to get a little bit more clarification but it's a relief to have this response as I don't know how I'm going to afford to stay in the UK - the housing situation is clearly not going to improve in a while.

Just to put the housing costs in context - when I went to Canada recently (and couldn't commit to an apartment because I was ill from menopausal brain fog and anxiety) I saw the same lovely apartment 4 times!  It was $750 a month which included heating and hot water - the only thing you paid extra was electricity which ran to about $18 a month.  No council tax and no deposit and no charge for a lease agreeement either - you just paid first and last rent.  It was in a well run commercial unit and had lovely staff on site and it was a huge 1 bedroom place.  To put the prices in context, $750 is about £400!  I am so sad that I didn't commit to it and withdrew from the MSW when ill but life goes on ....
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