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[moonbeam121167]

Have not been to dentist in years, I am a bit terrified of them to be honest, scared big time 

[CLKD]

So make an appt. for a chat before submitting yourself to any treatment.  That's what I did!  Dentistry is so much improved even in the last 5 years, I know 'cos I've undergone some quite intrusive, long treatment sessions 

[moonbeam121167]

I have made an dentist appointment for next Tuesday, what I find is every time I eat either something which needs alot of chewing I get a jaw ache and then a headache and then god I feel sick, so it could be down to my jaw or teeth but what I have noticed today I have been feeling really miserable, so this afternoon I decided to take a oral HRT , thought it may be cause I have reduce my HRT ( not by choice may I add )  xx

[moonbeam121167]

Hi again

sorry to be a bother again but I asked to go back on the patches due to suffering headaches, that was 2 weeks ago but I was on 4mg Zumenon pills and the GP said I was only allowed Estradot 100mg but this last 2 days I feel real miserable, I snap at the drop of a hat, I woke up feeling a bit of a rush coming on, I know it must be cause I have reduced my dose,  so I have taken a 2mg pill today, the GP said thats the highest dose patch and to give it a month but it isn't enough and I don't know what to do,  I haven't enough patches to last a month if I put 2 on at a time, so confused ...

[CLKD]

Give a Pharmacist a ring 2-morrow and discuss?  Most have private rooms these days.

[moonbeam121167]

Thanks could give it a go, going to continue with the pills/patch combo for a while,  I have 2 patches left so hopefully it can help, if it does I will go back to the GP and tell them I would like to use both ..

[Hurdity]

Hi moonbeam

Sorry to hear you are suffering again. That is an odd thing for your doc to say - that 100 mcg is the highest dose patch. Yes it is, but you could for example add a 25mcg patch to the mix to increase the dose and s/he knows that 

Two mg is also the highest dose of oestrogen pills - but this same doc is happy to prescribe twice the dose of pills but not precsribe you an extra patch. Hmmm I wonder if it's because they are cheaper - if so this should not be a consideration and especially in your case when you have experienced problems.

Again with gel women experiment by increasing the number of pumps of estrogel in order to reach the right dose for them - although the maximum is usually 4 pumps, I know some women do go higher if it's not absorbing well.

This does need challenging - it is a pity that you feel you need to take another tablet in order to increase the dose when you have suffered such stomach and headache problems. the only way to find out if the tablet is making either of these issues worse is by completely going onto transdermal HRT and then eventually stopping the stomach tablets - and see how you feel ( especially once you've seen the dentist and sorted that out too! .

I would ask the doc for an increase in dose to 125 mcg ie two patches, and insist that because of your stomach problems and severe headaches you do not want to take tablet HRT - at least to try to eliminate this as a cause.

Good luck and hope you feel better soon.

Hurdity x

[moonbeam121167]

I have made another appointment with the GP on Wednesday, and yes it is probably down to money the patch is I think twice the price of the pills, I didn't want to take a pill but I started to get some symptoms and felt I had not choice.   So between having slight meno symptoms and tooth ache I am feeling real rubbish. I have a dentist appointment Tuesday so I am hoping I can sort the tooth out and maybe the headaches are related to the teeth, then Wednesday hopefully the GP will give me the right dose of patch, Hurdity you think 125mcg will be equivalent to 4mg pill as I have no idea of the right dose to ask for, all I know is 100mcg is not enough

[moonbeam121167]

Hi all again its been nearly 2 months since I last been on here and god my headaches are awful, on 10mg of Amitryptyline for 2 months and it doesnt help, have not taken it today, I am on HRT  2mg of the pills and 100mcg of Estradot, I was taken the pills just before I go to bed but I was waking up with a bad headache so today I took it this morning and now while writing this I have a stinker of a headache, I am so fed up not sure if its the HRT thats causing the headache or something else and the GP just doesnt listen to me, if I stop the pills and just take the 100mcg patches my meno symptoms start creeping back, like bad mood swings then slight hot flushes, I really don't know what to do for the best, can't keep messing around with my HRT, also convinced the pills give me nausea thats why I took them at bedtime, I just want to cry, I wish the GP would listen to me but he doesn't,  please can anyone help me, give me some help and advice pleaseeeee

[CLKD]

Headaches are awful - where is yours situated?  Could it be a trapped nerve in the cervical spine?  How about contacting a physio for advice?

[Dancinggirl]

I had headaches when I was on too high a dose of oestrogen when I was peri menopausal.
Moonbeam  - perhaps try stopping the pills and keep to the patch again to see how you feel - you are really on a very high dose of oestrogen.  HAve you tried 'Mindful Meditation' for the anxiety or perhaps something like Citalopram (SRRI) alongside the patch to see if that improves your flushes and anxiety? I have a colleague at work who is using both HRT and Citalopram and finds this combo controls all her meno symptoms.  DG x

[moonbeam121167]

Hi both I had physio and all she said is how hunch my head and gave me some exercises to do but they never helped, I tried stopping my pills but I started have bad mood swings and mild hot flushes, just don't know what to do, just want to feel good and not moan to you lovely ladies or go to the doctors, for which are useless , thought of trying adding a patch and half but the blinking GP wont give me enough patches, he just gave me the Amitrypyline for the headaches but they dont help my head just makes me sleepy so I am going to slowly stop them.

[honeybun]

This has been going on for so long for you, headaches are really awful.

I I know it's been said before but I really think you need to stop the lot and reassess things. How do you even know anymore what is causing what.
If you can tolerate some flushes for a few weeks then that's what I should do rather than adding in more and more.
At least that way you would have a clear picture of what is happening to your body.

In my mind it's really the only option.


Honeyb
x

[Hurdity]

Sorry to hear you are no better moonbeam.

I absolutely could not function with headaches all the time. Can you gradually reduce the tablets over the next few weeks so that you are down to the patch and see where you are now? Also can't you get referred to a meno-specialist as it sounds like you need to see one as your doc continued to give you tablet HRT against your will and despite your stomach problems when it is contra-indicated.

I went to see a private specialist recently and she said many women who have problems with oestrogen levels actually need supplementation with testosterone - but at present this is unlicensed. I think you kept your ovaries after your op?

The medical profession has a duty to help you, and you should not have to suffer like this. Please try to get referred if only because the doctor has not been able to help you and you need specialist assessment.

Hurdity x

[moonbeam121167]

My GP is as helpful as a brick, he just doesn't listen, he makes me feel like I am wasting his time, these headaches are horrible and they make me real miserable, I also feel the pills makes me feel sick,  I have tried taking them at different times of the day but it makes no difference. The patch is great stick fine, but dont think it is enough on its own, as I have tried to cut the pill out and after a few days I get real bad mood swings and then the hot flushes creep back, but don't have enough patches to last if I add an additional half as they only give me enough to last a month at a time, I have seen the consultant up until last year when he told me I needed to double my dose , so I went back to my GP to sort this out but he said all I can have is the pill as I am already on the max dose  the patch, I have been back to him loads of time to tell him the pills are not agreeing with me but just doesnt listen, tried a different GP and he say the same, what can I do ,  I am due to change the patch Thursday shall I stop the pills as from tomorrow and then come Thursday try a patch and a half, I just want to feel good, this whole thing makes me miserable, I have stopped the Amitryptyline as it never helped, I know its hormone related, they feel just like they were when I was due for a period    , so sorry to go on all the time