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Author Topic: Utrogestan in Australia  (Read 6450 times)

Dana

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Utrogestan in Australia
« on: January 09, 2014, 09:18:40 AM »

For any Aussie ladies who are interested in the background as to why Utrogestan still isn't available in Australia, you might like to hear about a very interesting phone call I had today.

To give you a bit of a background, for some time now I've been trying to get information out of the Australasian Menopause Society and the Therapeutic Goods Administration. The last email I got from AMS just gave me a very cryptic “There are sometimes mixed messages so we have not heard yet if there are any developments on this issue”, but they gave me the phone number of someone who works for Lawley Pharmaceutics in WA.

The good news is that he is someone who is very interested in hormones in general, and is just as frustrated as we are that Utrogestan isn't available here. The bad news is that, if it is approved at all, it could be at least another 3-5 years away, and the more likely market will be for IVF and not menopause. However, once it is approved, the likelihood that it will also be used for menopause is very high.

What it boils down to is that it is all political, and the Aust Govt has a very long memory. Apparently Australia was one of the first countries to approve the use of thalidomide, and we all know what happened with that. So consequently Australia has now become one of the toughest countries in the world to get new drugs approved in. We are second only to the USA, but the difference is that USA has such a huge population that pharma companies are willing to jump through hoops to do whatever the FDA tells them to do, so they will have access to that huge market.

The TGA in Australia will take absolutely no notice of any other country's approval process or length of use of a medication, so the fact that Utrogestan has been used for decades holds no sway with them at all. They always require the drug company to go back to the drawing board and prove the effectiveness and safety of any medication available here. So, basically because Australia has such a small population, and we have no major pharma companies of our own, we are seen as just being “too much trouble” to bother with. It is starting to dawn on the government that this is not working in our favour, and that we are falling behind with some medications, but the wheels of government always turn very slowly.

New Zealand, on the other hand, has a much smaller population than Australia, but Utrogestan is available there. However, NZ has a much lower standard of medication approval, so that's how that happened.

I suspect that there is very much a double standard going on here though. Viagra, for example, is a relatively new medication (in comparison to Utrogestan) and it is readily available here on prescription. There are also a lot of other newer drugs which are readily available, so how did they get approved so quickly? Estradiol is also readily available here and has been around about as long as Utrogestan has, and would have a similar sized market, so none of it really makes much sense, but we're talking about government decisions here, and they rarely make sense.

Interestingly, Lawley Pharma does import Utrogestan into Australia, but they can only supply it to a small number of doctors who have applied for special approval to prescribe it, and more than likely that will be for IVF. Another piece of good news is that (I think he said) the Marketing Manager at Besin Pharmaceutics is Australian and this guy from Lawley Pharma actually knows him, so he does have a certain amount of influence. However, we are still at the mercy of the TGA.

I asked how the compounding industry is able to supply progesterone, and he said this is just basically a loop hole in the laws because they are importing a raw product for single use only. Should they start mass producing it, they would then come under the same criteria as the pharma companies.

So, at least for the foreseeable future, I will have to continue obtaining my Utrogestan from my online source.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post this, but he has a blog about hormones. I haven't really had much time to look at it, but it might provide some interesting information. http://michaelbuckley.net/
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Rowan

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Re: Utrogestan in Australia
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 09:46:26 AM »

Excellent and informative post Dana. 
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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan in Australia
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 06:16:44 PM »

I agree - what an interesting post and a fascinating insight into how drug approval in other countries works. Not good for you though Dana and in your position I would also buy online.

I really feel for all Australian women going through the menopause and being forced to pay for expensive private treatment if they don't get on with the HRT available to them, or else having to suffer intolerable symptoms especially in the heat!

Well done for taking it up with them but how frustrating!

Hmm yes interesting about Viagra - I think we know the answer to that one....

Hurdity x
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Dana

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Re: Utrogestan in Australia
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 03:40:53 AM »

The other interesting thing is that, even if I was to see one of these specially approved prescribing doctors, it would cost me a lot more to get it locally than buying it online. One box of 30 x 100mg capsules costs me around $32 (incl postage from Europe to Aust). If I got it in Australia, the same thing would cost me about $45, because it's not covered by our PBS (which I think is similar to your NHS). I would be able to claim it on my private insurance though, but I would only get back the gap payment which would be roughly $10, and that would bring it back to roughly what I'm already paying anyway.

However, it's all irrelevant, because he said there were none of these doctors in the city I live in (Brisbane), so I would have to add the airfare to go to Sydney or Melbourne..lol…

Oh well, I'm toying with the idea of trialling the conti patches again. Last time I tried them I didn't have a lot of joy, but I was also having other medication problems at the same time, so I don't know for sure if the prog component really caused any of the problems. So the Utrogestan subject may end up being a non-issue for me anyway, but it would be nice to know that I could have some small part in helping with the fight to get it here for other women who need it.
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Alua197

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Re: Utrogestan in Australia
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 09:12:04 PM »

Dana where do you order from I am in Australia and wanting to get some
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Dana

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Re: Utrogestan in Australia
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 11:13:03 PM »

I've just replied to your other post.

Interestingly, it's exactly a year since I started this thread, and since then my opinion about Utrogestan has changed. I personally prefer not to use it, and I do understand somewhat the reasoning behind the TGA's refusal to approve it because of other issues I have become aware of following my own personal use of it.

However, everyone has to make their own decisions about what type of HRT they use, but coming to that decision is usually a trial and error thing.
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