Interesting susyq, your a fit bird, have worked hard at keeping as fit as you can yet severe symptoms. I wish there were more women in 60, 70, even 80,s. With their experiences. Were they as awful as some of you ladies? Older women must have suffered in silence. Of course they didn't have any communication medium. The phone maybe. Earlier I was referring to swimming, meant to say, great for all in particular older ladies. No strain on joints. Libs