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[CLKD]

serotonin syndrome  - can you explain this further?  Do you mean 2 different types of anti-depressant medication at the same time and they did what exactly?

I have had several types of AD, some have to be weaned off before beginning a different sort; others can over-lap.   

[Taz2]

Here you go... good old Google... http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Serotonin-Syndrome.htm

Taz x

[CLKD]

   so it is like many drugs, which can have the opposite effect to what they are designed for.   My neighbour had a bad reaction to Propranalol  ..........

[Rose]

Hi, sorry my replies go up later as I'm in Oz. My own doc gave me Endep which I tolerated. Then I was referred to back pain specialist (later forced to retire due to incompetence) and he gave me another prescription for an antidepressant which he said I could take with Endep. I was so ill and had no idea what was wrong until they whisked me off to hospital. I couldn't feel my left arm/face. It imitated a stroke. So now I can't tolerate any antidepressants. I was so terrified at the time. Now I double check all meds to see if they can cause similar reactions. It has made me so distrustful of doctors.

[CLKD]

I bet that was a terrifying experience  - bad enough feeling poorly without medication making symtpoms worse, or causing added problems 

[Rose]

Thank you, CLKD for your sympathy. It was terrifying especially when you can die from it, but it has made me realize that doctors aren't Gods and I double check every medication now 

[CLKD]

I usually check medication.  But when I was very depressed I was given the wrong drug at the wrong doseage    ...... it was only by chance that I even checked the packet ......... 

[Rose]

That is so easy to do, CLKD! When you are in that dark hole it is so easy to take what the 'experts' give you and hope all is well. Mind you, when I was finally given HRT, I threw the instructions in the bin! I couldn't go on without it! To heck with the consequences! Laughed at someone who said they would have taken poison to help relieve the symptoms of menopause. I felt the same way! Hope all is well with you now. Antidepressants are great at relieving depression when it's bad but as a counsellor, I know that depression and anxiety are symptoms of a problem that 'needs' to be examined. As I can no longer take them, I usually sit with my feelings and write/talk about them with someone I trust. That's why this forum is so good. Lots of support from others who are going through the same things.

[CLKD]

I know that depression and anxiety are symptoms of a problem that 'needs' to be examined

Not always.  There are many types of depression: organic, which many 'experts' will not acknowledge but which mine is the basis of; clinical - where people are unable to alter where they are currently; manic, with highs and lows which can be controlled with medication.  After 5 different types of AD in the 1990s - with horrendous side effects; I was able eventually to find a medication which helped for 8 years: along with Valium on an as-necessary basis: before it pooped out, then it was a bit hit and miss for a few months.  My phobia caused more depression because the Doctors would not acknowledge what a life controlling issue phobias are.   

Anxiety can be caused by many issues too.  Been there, done that    <sigh>

I had sessions with one Counsellor - I could tell her which book she was quoting and from which page  - because remedies are written down doesn't make them work - otherwise you and others would be out of a job 

'Some' say that depression is a learnt syndrome - rubbish ....... one can feel constantly sad if others around are in a sad state, but depression as an illness cannot be learned.  It can be mimicked, if depression has been used by an adult in order to gain control, but never learned. 

[Rose]

Hi CLKD, you are absolutely right in saying that clinical depression needs medication i.e.; bipolar and it doesn't help if that's not acknowledged. I was depressed after the sudden death of my first husband. That's a natural reaction and counselling helped me. I was agoraphobic for a year, so I know how controlling phobias are. Panic attacks saw me hiding under the bed of all places! I also had 5 kids to look after which made me seek help and now I am fine, except for the menopause. I know that there are some counsellors who shouldn't be let loose on the public but some are really good, if they try to find a solution, collaboratively with you and not reduce you to 'a problem'. Depression isn't learned behaviour but a sign of what's happening in your life. I work in conjunction with clients to achieve the best possible outcome for them. I really would be appalled if I were to cause offence to you. Having gone through what I have, hopefully allows me to feel empathy with clients, not sympathy. There are lots of therapies out there, it's about finding the right fit for you. Clinical depression and anxiety are horrible and real. It takes a strong woman like yourself, to keep searching for some relief, and not take nonsense from doctors who won't understand.

[CLKD]

   you and I are reading from the same book 

What a shock for you! at any age and in any circumstance.  Having to deal with your feelings plus tying up loose ends, with five children ..........  ......... depression 'runs' in both sides of my family so I don't have a chocolate fireguard's chance of not being affected  .  I have a loving husband and a Very Good GP!  However, my Mother .......... 

[Rose]

At least you have a loving husband and a good GP (I have one of them and it's not my husband!) and that makes a huge difference. Don't get me started on mothers! Oh, ok, I will  I had to go into hospital before her birthday and as she lives in the Uk I sent a bouquet of beautiful flowers to her through interflora.. I had the procedure done on her b'day and was so exhausted I went straight to bed. I had forgotten to ring her but surely she could understand that with my being ill and the time difference? Oh no, the world and his wife now knows that I "ruined" her b'day. She went on about it so much that my daughter became angry with her. So, CLKD, what's your mother like?

[CLKD]

Narsacisstic ....... when I told her in the 1990s that I had medication for depression I got "Don't lead your husband a dance like your Father led me" ..........   

I never told her of my health issues after that.  DH rang her when my appendix had been removed to say 'no 1 daughter is in hospital' and she sent the obligatory flower arrangement.  When I had breast disease I didn't tell her until 4 months after surgery and prognosis were sorted.  It's not even as though she thinks about what she is about to say, it's instant 

[Rose]

Isn't it awful CLKD, when we aren't truly loved and accepted by our own parents? You have gone through so much and if you are anything like me, you put a brave face on, even though you'd love it to change. I accept that I won't have the relationship with my mother that I have with my own girls, but it's hard. My mother was brought up to worship the ground that men walk on and girls were there to do the chores. She adores my sons but not my girls (3 of each) so it's pretty evident that she regards my feminist stance as unnatural. What is your mother's background?

[meno lesley]

I also have a narsacisstic mother. There are four of us and I am the eldest. The last 3 years I've been going through a horrible meno journey and would have loved to be able to talk to her about it all. Very thankful for all the info And advice I've had on this site.

My daughter gets married next Saturday and am very worried about my mother playing up on the day and ruining it.

Lesley x